Mitch Mustain...

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BigPapaVol said:
Again, think about the mentality of those who would transfer in a case like this. First, there will be very few and those that will are going to tend to be locker room disasters or think far more of their ability than they should.
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I respectfully disagree. This is USC, where the backup could be a 4*/5* guy who is extremely talented with decent character who is still buried on the depth chart due to the fact that everyone at SC also is a 4* or 5* who is extremely talented. The appropriate evaluation is not whether the guy is the best at his position at USC, but rather whether he is better than the players at his position that will be on the field for UT this fall. He could even agree that he's not as good as the senior at USC ahead of him, but also be correct in believing that he is better than the freshman at UT, it would seem.

I think it's a pipe dream that we get any significant number of them and even unlikely that we get any at all. But I think that assuming the second string Jr/Sr at USC couldn't possibly help at the positions of need at UT would be a clear mistake.

I think there are likely guys that think they have an NFL shot if they get a lot of playing time in the SEC, as opposed to having little shot with only a little PT at USC. That could be a legitimate motivation for a guy. As could a more simple and plausible situation where the guy knows he's good enough to play well in D-1 football, but who can't get on the field at USC.

It's not arguable that USC's depth is obviously better than UT's and that makes a successful transfer from there at least a possibility, and worth considering.
 
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winchestervol63 said:
Normally true, but not after a post-season ban like this. Anyone affected (Jr/Sr in this case) can be recuruited by another school without needing USC's permission, all that must be done is notification. The rule specifically says that USC (in this case) can impose 'reasonable' limitations, like you can't drag them out of class for recruiting contact, but no permission is needed.
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Where did you read that nonsense? You can't just start recruiting a player who is on scholarship with another institution. By them losing bowl games does not allow opposing coaches to decide that they can open up each players' recruitment. The only change is that if a player decides to transfer, they don't have to have a clearance from the institution first. Imagine what kind of circus it would be if they could.
 
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chavisut said:
Would he have been a JR? If so, he could have transferred to a BCS school and not have to sit out.
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I think he would have, and thats a good point. However, I look for USC to appeal the NCAA decision and nothing will not happen for a couple more years. Also, we are guessing there will be no bowl games for a couple of years. They might not actually receive that punishment.
 
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So during the appeal process, do things go on at USC like nothing happened, or are the penalties put in place and enforced until any changes are made through the appeals process?
 
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jspvol76 said:
So during the appeal process, do things go on at USC like nothing happened, or are the penalties put in place and enforced until any changes are made through the appeals process?
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I don't really know either. I would assume things will carry on like nothing happened until he new hearings. The speculation is that USC will definitely appeal to the NCAA.
 
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BAYOU-VOL said:
Mitch has way to much baggage and he is no where near as talanted as the hype.
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He has no more baggage than the guy currently projected to start for UT.

Even if he's not the 5-star player he was believed to be, I'd still take him over Matt Simms 10 out of 10 times. He won't need to be a 5* player to be our best QB.
 
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#141
What makes everyone think these USC players will pick UT if they decide to transfer?

I understand we have more room than alot of programs but that's about the only serious deciding factor I can see other than potential immediate playing time at QB, OL and DL...but even that's not a given
 
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byobbio said:
Where did you read that nonsense? You can't just start recruiting a player who is on scholarship with another institution. By them losing bowl games does not allow opposing coaches to decide that they can open up each players' recruitment. The only change is that if a player decides to transfer, they don't have to have a clearance from the institution first. Imagine what kind of circus it would be if they could.
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Read it in the NCAA rules. I'll find it and paste for you.
 
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winchestervol63 said:
Read it in the NCAA rules. I'll find it and paste for you.
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See below, bybbio. What would truly be nonsense would be for the NCAA to grant athletes the relief of being able to transfer without penalty, but then allowing their current team to control whether (and to whom) they can talk to about it.

NCAA Bylaws - Excerpts

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For those interested, here are the applicable sections related to the transfer rules for student athletes as it relates to USC's players. I wonder how it affects a player like Glenn Stanley who bailed on the Vols...he probably had two years of eligibility in three years time.

13.1.1.3.3 Transfer from Institution Placed on Probation by Committee on Infractions. It is not necessary for an institution to obtain permission in writing to recruit a student-athlete at an institution that has been placed on probation with sanctions that preclude it from competing in postseason competition during the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility. However, the student-athlete’s institution must be notified of the recruitment and may establish reasonable restrictions related to the contact (e.g., no visits during class time), provided such restrictions do not preclude the opportunity for the student athlete to discuss transfer possibilities with the other institution [see Bylaw 14.8.2-(c)]. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)

14.8.2 Residence Requirement Waivers. The Legislative Council Subcommittee for Legislative Relief may waive the one-year residence requirement for student-athletes under the following conditions or circumstances: (Revised: 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08)

(c) On the recommendation of the Committee on Infractions, for a student-athlete who transfers to a member institution to continue the student-athlete’s opportunity for full participation in a sport because the student athlete’s original institution was placed on probation by the NCAA with sanctions that would preclude the institution’s team in that sport from participating in postseason competition during all of the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility (see also Bylaw 13.1.1.3.3); (Revised: 1/10/92)
 
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winchestervol63 said:
See below, bybbio. What would truly be nonsense would be for the NCAA to grant athletes the relief of being able to transfer without penalty, but then allowing their current team to control whether (and to whom) they can talk to about it.
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Haha, I love when people call things nonsense when they have no clue what they're talking about...classic.
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#147
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winchestervol63 said:
See below, bybbio. What would truly be nonsense would be for the NCAA to grant athletes the relief of being able to transfer without penalty, but then allowing their current team to control whether (and to whom) they can talk to about it.

NCAA Bylaws - Excerpts
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Wow....owned!
 
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#149
I don't know how most of USC's jr and sr cannot at least be thinking about leaving. Its not like their coach that recruited them and made who knows what kind of promises stayed to ride out the probation/penelties.
Especially not having to sit out a year. And one poster said he thinks mustain will go to UCLA, IMO I think he would rather come back to the SEC. Not sayin we are gonna get em all but could finally be some good news for good ole rocky top!
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