Mo Couch explains the money situation...

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Judge him all you want. I became a father at a very young age and made some very stupid financial decisions back then to take care of my young family. Granted, I was no where near the position that Couch is in, him being a scholarship athlete. My point is when you are young and suddenly put into a position that you aren't prepared to deal with on a maturity level, you sometimes make bad choices to get by. Some talk about he shouldn't have became a father. While that may be true, what should he have done? Abandon the child and mother? He saw a chance to get by in the short term and if he got away with it, the chance to possibly hit the lottery in the NFL down the road. It's easy to sit back and judge him from the viewpoint of most of us that have age and life experience. Thinking back to when I was his age, I would have probably done the same thing.
 
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bamawriter said:
He also paid it back almost immediately. There is a difference.

That being said, I feel for Couch. He's a great example of how the NCAA's rules are antiquated and are in desperate need of revision.
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Which member of the Bama Mafia fronted him the cash to pay it back? :crazy:
 
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bamawriter said:
He also paid it back almost immediately. There is a difference.

That being said, I feel for Couch. He's a great example of how the NCAA's rules are antiquated and are in desperate need of revision.
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Have ever sat through an NCAA compliance seminar? I have. You take money your gone and you forfeit every game he played in after the money was taken.

Every year you get a refresher as a player on rules. So there is no excuse. The rules state that if that coach was not able to loan every student enrolled in the university of Alabama the same loan then it's an NCAA violation.

Auburn 1992 - tv and bowl ban for 1993

USC 2011 - vacated national championship and bowl ban

Miami 2012 - loss of scholarships and would've gotten more if ncaa didn't screw up the investigation
 
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fade route said:
With that logic, you can justify almost any behavior in the name of "putting family first". It's BS - there are better ways to handle things.
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That's your opinion and I respect it. I can tell you that life throws some of us curveballs sometimes and you look around and all you have is you. I have been there. I'm not justifying anything that Mo has done. I'm just saying take a moment to walk a mile in that YOUNG man's shoes.
 
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Not mad at him at all, you got to do what you got to do to support and protect your own. Best of luck to him in the NFL, he loves Tennessee and is a VFL and we should all have his back
 
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Flipdaddy said:
Have ever sat through an NCAA compliance seminar? I have. You take money your gone and you forfeit every game he played in after the money was taken.

Every year you get a refresher as a player on rules. So there is no excuse. The rules state that if that coach was not able to loan every student enrolled in the university of Alabama the same loan then it's an NCAA violation.

Auburn 1992 - tv and bowl ban for 1993

USC 2011 - vacated national championship and bowl ban

Miami 2012 - loss of scholarships and would've gotten more if ncaa didn't screw up the investigation
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The USC and Miami issues weren't about coaches lending players money, so I have no idea why you're using them as examples. And while coaches were involved at Auburn, they didn't even pretend that the payments were a loan, and nothing was ever paid back.

However, even if your examples fit the scenario, they do nothing to refute the fact that the NCAA's rules are draconian and need to be fixed.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
That's your opinion and I respect it. I can tell you that life throws some of us curveballs sometimes and you look around and all you have is you. I have been there. I'm not justifying anything that Mo has done. I'm just saying take a moment to walk a mile in that YOUNG man's shoes.
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And I respect yours, Doyle. Always have. I just think there could have been ways around this without breaking the rules.
 
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GAVol said:
It's harsh, but it's probably true. I'm sure he was trying to have it both ways so he'd have a shot at the NFL. I understand what he did, but I wish he'd tried something else. I just hope he got somewhere close to a degree.
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He is graduating, so that is the best thing to happen for him and his family. REALLY wish it didn't go down like this, but it looks like the program survived.
 
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Let her move back to Kansas for the stability. Family's have been separated for the better of the family...since...forever!!! This was a selfish decision that put the program as a whole in jeopardy which I put first. He ended up hurting the future and stability of his family with not playing this year. Was being away from them for a year or so worth that now??? If they were meant to be married and have a child the separation would have made them stronger.

Kids need to realize that having kids isn't easy or cheap. So the "I've been there" acceptance club needs to stop that and make them realize the problems it brings. Wrap it up or don't do it. Simple.
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Cosmo said:
He is graduating, so that is the best thing to happen for him and his family. REALLY wish it didn't go down like this, but it looks like the program survived.
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Glad to hear that. I hate what happened, but honestly, screw the program. He had a family to hold together and he wasn't breaking the law.
 
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dooley2 said:
But the Alabama player that received money got to continue playing. Justice?
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He paid it back and sat a couple of games, which is the normal protocol for amounts less than $1,000. Right or wrong, that's how the NCAA has always handled this stuff. The Clinton-Dix situation isn't the same as Couch's.
 
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I understand what he did. I just hope Butch Jones and administration learns from this and has something, anything, in place to help out players who are trying to also raise a family. I'm sure a bank manager would have approved an unsecured loan to him for a few thousand or whatever and setup payments to begin in 08/2014. UT needs counselors in place to work with student athletes that are raising families and are in financial need. Maybe develop relationships with local financial institutions that can work with these type of situations.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Let her move back to Kansas for the stability. Family's have been separated for the better of the family...since...forever!!! This was a selfish decision that put the program as a whole in jeopardy which I put first. He ended up hurting the future and stability of his family with not playing this year. Was being away from them for a year or so worth that now??? If they were meant to be married and have a child the separation would have made them stronger.

Kids need to realize that having kids isn't easy or cheap. So the "I've been there" acceptance club needs to stop that and make them realize the problems it brings. Wrap it up or don't do it. Simple.
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Of course you put the program first. It's not your family.
 
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phowell23 said:
I understand what he did. I just hope Butch Jones and administration learns from this and has something, anything, in place to help out players who are trying to also raise a family. I'm sure a bank manager would have approved an unsecured loan to him for a few thousand or whatever and setup payments to begin in 08/2014. UT needs counselors in place to work with student athletes that are raising families and are in financial need.
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This is the second time I've seen somebody suggest going to a bank or credit union. As someone who works with banks everyday, I can tell you that this just isn't going to happen. They just don't do unsecured, signature loans anymore . . . much less to college kids with no job.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Let her move back to Kansas for the stability. Family's have been separated for the better of the family...since...forever!!! This was a selfish decision that put the program as a whole in jeopardy which I put first. He ended up hurting the future and stability of his family with not playing this year. Was being away from them for a year or so worth that now??? If they were meant to be married and have a child the separation would have made them stronger.

Kids need to realize that having kids isn't easy or cheap. So the "I've been there" acceptance club needs to stop that and make them realize the problems it brings. Wrap it up or don't do it. Simple.
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I agree that a sense of responsibility needs to conquered before you have a kid. But as far as separating the family. I do not know if you have a family or not. I am married and have a 2 year old. Them having to be moved because I could not take care of them would destroy me. Not being able to see my family. I know I would not be able to give full attention elsewhere. So I do understand a little bit of where Mo is coming from as far as the desire to care for your family.
 
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We got off very lightly on this (I hope). If we got put on probation for his actions, you guys defending what he did would be singing a different tune.
 
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GAVol said:
This is the second time I've seen somebody suggest going to a bank or credit union. As someone who works with banks everyday, I can tell you that this just isn't going to happen. They just don't do unsecured, signature loans anymore . . . much less to college kids with no job.
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I just got one last month fairly easily with Regions. Now I'm also not a college student and I have a great credit record. That being said I guess there has to be ways to financially help student athletes who have kids and if not there should be. It would also be a good selling point if UT developed something like this because if a athletic recruit was coming here and had kids they could show them the different ways to receive financial help that other universities may not have in place.
 
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