Mo Couch explains the money situation...

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So much judgement in this thread. In a country where the number of single mothers is increasing daily, we should all be applauding Mo for being a stand up father and doing what he could to keep his family together. And the NCAA should have rules in place for special needs of players with families. From my view, the mistake he made was handling the money directly. Had he had the money sent home, or had it wired to his wife, none of this would have happened.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't think I used the term "guidelines" as that would suggest that there is a written set of rules that lays out the punishments to fit certain crimes. But that's not true, as they pretty much make it up as they go along. The $1,000 limit has been protocol, but the punishment surrounding different amounts has been uneven, to put it kindly.

As to the situation in question, the NCAA has vacated wins for similar behavior, but they've not vacated wins in practically identical circumstances as well. So I have no idea what the NCAA will do, but I don't personally think they should do anything. I believe they need to revise their rulebook before taking any more punitive actions against any program. Their rules don't work in the modern world, and do nothing but keep poor kids broke.
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If I were Mo, I would have just said I sold some jerseys or signed autographs. A.J. Green got 4 games for selling a jersey for $1000.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
If I were Mo, I would have just said I sold some jerseys or signed autographs. A.J. Green got 4 games for selling a jersey for $1000.
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And all the while, the NCAA's rulebook makes it darn near impossible for college football players to earn even a minimal amount during their playing days.
 
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bamawriter said:
And all the while, the NCAA's rulebook makes it darn near impossible for college football players to earn even a minimal amount during their playing days.
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Can't believe I'm agreeing with a Bama fan (I feel icky), but you are right. I wish there was some way to do it, but I don't see one that wouldn't get REALLY abused.

If you did it for football, you have to do it for Basketball, then baseball, then track, then it just keeps going. There is not enough money to do that. There isn't an even way to do things, and since things have to be "even" now-a-days, it won't happen.
 
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I know this sounds harsh, but I don't wanna hear any excuses about having a family to take care of. If you wanna be a big boy, then you gotta be willing to take care of that responsibility. What isn't being metioned is why couldn't the lazy gold digger go out and get a job? Hopefully Mo is able to have a good pro career, to bad the gold digger will milk him dry and leave him.
 
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GAVol said:
This is the second time I've seen somebody suggest going to a bank or credit union. As someone who works with banks everyday, I can tell you that this just isn't going to happen. They just don't do unsecured, signature loans anymore . . . much less to college kids with no job.
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And if they did that for a UT football player what they wouldn't do for any other student, the program would be in a lot deeper with the NCAA than Mo dealing on his own with an agent.

Mo is getting his degree, standing up as a father and has shown contrition for his actions. We've done a lot worse as a program with some of the Baby Daddy's we've had helping us win championships. Travis Henry for one. I think the VFL program is exactly what is needed for these guys. A mentoring system and council on how to take care of these sort of things.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
I know this sounds harsh, but I don't wanna hear any excuses about having a family to take care of. If you wanna be a big boy, then you gotta be willing to take care of that responsibility. What isn't being metioned is why couldn't the lazy gold digger go out and get a job? Hopefully Mo is able to have a good pro career, to bad the gold digger will milk him dry and leave him.
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WOW...I just found a new member of my "Ignore" list!!! unbelievable!

So he should have just been like Travis Henry or any other of our MANY players that have gotten girls pregnant? Just abandon them and let the "gold-digger" deal with it on her own? Sounds like a great plan.
 
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So much judgmental idiocy in this thread.

He put the program in jeapordy over $1,300? No, he didn't. The program faced no serious sanctions because of what Couch did.

There is abundant cheating in college football, practiced likely by every major program, at UT, by Fulmer, and all his successors, and people are going to get on a guy who admits that he did it because he was having a hard time feeding his family.

No, he didn't have to get married. Yes, the child was his decision, not the programs. But, personally speaking, I'm much more tolerant of missteps by a guy who does what he's done by taking responsibility for a family than some loser who bounces from woman to woman and eventually winds up with a roster full of illegitimate children.
 
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So many assumptions from so many who have yet to see what an unforgiving ***** life can be.

First the rules are rules BS needs to go out the window. This isn't criminal activity, it's violating the NCAA's arbitrary rules which they sometimes enforce and sometimes do not.
 
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Why is this a violation? The guy he got money from isn't even affiliated with the University. I got pocket change here and there from friends and relatives when I was a starving student as well.
 
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bamawriter said:
And all the while, the NCAA's rulebook makes it darn near impossible for college football players to earn even a minimal amount during their playing days.
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People act like athletes can't work. The rule says they can as long as they actually work and get paid what anyone else would get paid in that position. The problem is too many people pay them to "work" or pay them $15/hr when anyone else would get minimum wage.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
I know this sounds harsh, but I don't wanna hear any excuses about having a family to take care of. If you wanna be a big boy, then you gotta be willing to take care of that responsibility. What isn't being metioned is why couldn't the lazy gold digger go out and get a job? Hopefully Mo is able to have a good pro career, to bad the gold digger will milk him dry and leave him.
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You sir are absolutely criminally clueless and I pray to god you never have a wife and kids. My wife stayed home with my kids until the youngest was three. It was our personal choice because we thought maybe a parent should be responsible for their care during the early years. I guess I should inform her of what a gold digger she is?
 
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whobethis16 said:
People act like athletes can't work. The rule says they can as long as they actually work and get paid what anyone else would get paid in that position. The problem is too many people pay them to "work" or pay them $15/hr when anyone else would get minimum wage.
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The nature of the football practice schedule makes all but a Summer job completely impossible. And even those aren't easy since pretty much every college football player is in school so he can participate during the Summer.
 
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whobethis16 said:
People act like athletes can't work. The rule says they can as long as they actually work and get paid what anyone else would get paid in that position. The problem is too many people pay them to "work" or pay them $15/hr when anyone else would get minimum wage.
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When do you expect them to work?

During the season they have classes, film study, team meetings, practice, travel to games and games. They are doing football in one form or another 7 days each week, from pretty much August to December.

Off season, they increase their class load to make up for the lower level taken during the season. Plus they have off season work outs, "voluntary" team meetings and 7 on 7 sessions. They also take almost all the summer terms and mini-terms to keep progressing toward their degree. And they get all of those charity events, team building events and maybe a couple of weeks off to go home for a visit.

Would be tough for a football player to work to earn enough to care for a family, imo.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
Can't believe I'm agreeing with a Bama fan (I feel icky), but you are right. I wish there was some way to do it, but I don't see one that wouldn't get REALLY abused.

If you did it for football, you have to do it for Basketball, then baseball, then track, then it just keeps going. There is not enough money to do that. There isn't an even way to do things, and since things have to be "even" now-a-days, it won't happen.
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I agree that "fairness" will be the excuse, but it's a garbage excuse. Athletes in pretty much every other sport have an easier time earning spending money than football players do. It's the nature of the schedule.
 
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YorkVol said:
When do you expect them to work?

During the season they have classes, film study, team meetings, practice, travel to games and games. They are doing football in one form or another 7 days each week, from pretty much August to December.

Off season, they increase their class load to make up for the lower level taken during the season. Plus they have off season work outs, "voluntary" team meetings and 7 on 7 sessions. They also take almost all the summer terms and mini-terms to keep progressing toward their degree. And they get all of those charity events, team building events and maybe a couple of weeks off to go home for a visit.

Would be tough for a football player to work to earn enough to care for a family, imo.
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They are not required to sleep are they? :crazy:
 
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YorkVol said:
When do you expect them to work?

During the season they have classes, film study, team meetings, practice, travel to games and games. They are doing football in one form or another 7 days each week, from pretty much August to December.

Off season, they increase their class load to make up for the lower level taken during the season. Plus they have off season work outs, "voluntary" team meetings and 7 on 7 sessions. They also take almost all the summer terms and mini-terms to keep progressing toward their degree. And they get all of those charity events, team building events and maybe a couple of weeks off to go home for a visit.

Would be tough for a football player to work to earn enough to care for a family, imo.
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I took 15-17 hours a semester (more than they do), marched all 4 years rehearsal MWF for 2.5 hours, hour rehearsal Tuesday evenings, all gigs/galas/fundraisers etc that the Pride had to do, all day Saturdays and road games), wasn't on scholarship with excess financial aid from the university, took out loans, and worked 20 or so hours at $7/hr. There were several months I had maybe $8 in my account after rent, utilities, food, etc. Forgive me for not having that much sympathy for the man. I admire him for taking care of his family, but at some point he needs to make a decision.
 
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DaddyChad said:
You sir are absolutely criminally clueless and I pray to god you never have a wife and kids. My wife stayed home with my kids until the youngest was three. It was our personal choice because we thought maybe a parent should be responsible for their care during the early years. I guess I should inform her of what a gold digger she is?
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Your absolutely right. I went to college and upon completion obtained a full-time job. I am married. We waited 7 years before having children. We pay our bills. Yes we're blessed, but things tend to fall into place when you actually prepare for them.

But keep living in the entitlement era. I guess his wife shouldn't have to work and actually help pay the bills.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I took 15-17 hours a semester (more than they do), marched all 4 years rehearsal MWF for 2.5 hours, hour rehearsal Tuesday evenings, all gigs/galas/fundraisers etc that the Pride had to do, all day Saturdays and road games), wasn't on scholarship with excess financial aid from the university, took out loans, and worked 20 or so hours at $7/hr. There were several months I had maybe $8 in my account after rent, utilities, food, etc. Forgive me for not having that much sympathy for the man. I admire him for taking care of his family, but at some point he needs to make a decision.
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So you don't have an answer as to when he should have time to work, you are just jealous that he had an opportunity you didn't have.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
Your absolutely right. I went to college and upon completion obtained a full-time job. I am married. We waited 7 years before having children. We pay our bills. Yes we're blessed, but things tend to fall into place when you actually prepare for them.

But keep living in the entitlement era. I guess his wife shouldn't have to work and actually help pay the bills.
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1. Did you wait to have sex or just wait to have kids? Birth control isn't 100% so maybe something unexpected happened?

2. How does anyone know if she works or not? You are making an assumption not verified by facts.
 
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YorkVol said:
So you don't have an answer as to when he should have time to work, you are just jealous that he had an opportunity you didn't have.
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Yeah, I'm jealous I didn't get forced out of college football, I'm jealous I graduated in 4 years with a job where I can pay my loans off and worked my ass off to get in the position I'm in. Yeah, I'm totally jealous.

Athletes make the choice to have a family and get married. Their scholarships cover everything us "jealous normies" HAVE to work to afford, ie rent, books, tuition, food, etc. I don't have pity for him, or any athlete, that takes it for granted and can't play by the rules.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
Your absolutely right. I went to college and upon completion obtained a full-time job. I am married. We waited 7 years before having children. We pay our bills. Yes we're blessed, but things tend to fall into place when you actually prepare for them.

But keep living in the entitlement era. I guess his wife shouldn't have to work and actually help pay the bills.
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You cannot prepare for everything. Not sure about his support system but it sounds like her family is in Kansas. So even if she wanted to work you're faced with putting your kids in daycare and them being raised by strangers. Who knows what the cost of that is, I know where I am it's around $100 a week for child care. Some people's families take priority over everything else. This wasn't some "entitled" kid buying something frivolous. He was doing it to take care of his family and he never denied it.
 
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So much knee-jerk moralizing in this thread. The system is broken. It enriches everyone except the players themselves, throws up every obstacle possible to keep the players from having any money at all, and then forces them to buy into it in order to have any shot at a professional career. It's easy to see why any of these players have a mercenary attitude about it, much less one who's trying to support a family until he can get a shot at an NFL paycheck.

The real takeaway is that if a marginal guy like Mo Couch is getting some cash from an agent, what percentage of other SEC players are too? Are they all selfish jackasses who hate their programs too?
 
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whobethis16 said:
Yeah, I'm jealous I didn't get forced out of college football, I'm jealous I graduated in 4 years with a job where I can pay my loans off and worked my ass off to get in the position I'm in. Yeah, I'm totally jealous.

Athletes make the choice to have a family and get married. Their scholarships cover everything us "jealous normies" HAVE to work to afford, ie rent, books, tuition, food, etc. I don't have pity for him, or any athlete, that takes it for granted and can't play by the rules.
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You sound jealous.
 
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I know you can't prepare for everything, but people do things backwards today, and then look for the easy way out. Maybe I'm off here, but I always have had to work for what I had. That was the way I was raised. I worked at least 30 hours a week while in school.

And for the birth control comment, yes birth control isn't 100% effective. But the real question is did they even bother to use any protection!
 
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