Mo Couch explains the money situation...

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phowell23 said:
I just got one last month fairly easily with Regions. Now I'm also not a college student and I have a great credit record. That being said I guess there has to be ways to financially help student athletes who have kids and if not there should be. It would also be a good selling point if UT developed something like this because if a athletic recruit was coming here and had kids they could show them the different ways to receive financial help that other universities may not have in place.
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Yeah, but I bet it wasn't a loan for $1,000 and you had a history. I agree with you though. There's no doubt that there were better avenues for him to pursue.
 
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bamawriter said:
He paid it back and sat a couple of games, which is the normal protocol for amounts less than $1,000. Right or wrong, that's how the NCAA has always handled this stuff. The Clinton-Dix situation isn't the same as Couch's.
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Would you say couch's situation is more like fluker's except for the amounts involved?
 
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GAVol said:
Of course you put the program first. It's not your family.
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Exactly what I meant, and why I'm not sympathetic. He had other options and he decided to do the wrong one. Plain and simple.
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McDad said:
Would you say couch's situation is more like fluker's except for the amounts involved?
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Yep. But the NCAA couldn't bench Fluker at that point. Nor could they bench Bray or the two guys from Mississippi State. Couch simply had the misfortune of still being under the NCAA's authority.
 
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(In my best Charlie Brown voice) GOOD GRIEF!!!! I'm glad we have such compassionate people around here.

Until each of you are put in that situation, you do not know how you would react. Do you realize how many athletes get girls pregnant during college and even high school now? I wished that number wasn't as high...I really do. But the fact is, Mo IS married and is being a true Father to their child. That should be applauded.

Many of you are saying he should have sent them back to Kansas. For what??? So he could play for our football team and make YOU happy? I would imagine the people saying that aren't married or have kids. You want to talk about a distraction. Try going to school, playing major college football AND not being able to see your wife and kid for months at a time.

Others are saying if it was such a burden, he should have quit and gotten a job. Sure, because working a factory job or a stock worker is really the path he wants to make for his family. I applaud him for staying in school and finishing his degree.

The system needs fixing. Bray gets off un-punished. Fluker and Bama get off un-punished (for taking MUCH more $$$). HaHa simply "finds" the money to repay the coach after he got caught and is back to playing. Johnny Football takes 5 figures, but leaves no paper trail and misses a half of ONE game. However, Mo does what he needs to do to keep his family afloat and together and he gets punished. That just doesn't seem fair to me.

I don't fault him for it one bit. I hope he shows out during the Pro Day and gets a shot in the NFL. If not, he will have his degree to fall back on. Good luck Mo and thanks for being a Vol!!!
 
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SDV said:
This is harsh, but he knew it was wrong and still did it and jeopardized our entire program over $1,300. He should've quit football and got a job if it were that bad
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Unfortunately this all happened to Couch under the last staff and if anything is evident it is that that staff did nothing to establish a family connection to support their players. Look at Clinton-Dix at Bummer, he went to a coach for help, it is really sad that Couch did not feel like he could come to his coaches. I am sure that this staff would of done everything in their power to help him out. For example, this season was the first time for the seniors to ever visit the head coaches staff. That is ridiculous!
 
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bamawriter said:
Yep. But the NCAA couldn't bench Fluker at that point. Nor could they bench Bray or the two guys from Mississippi State. Couch simply had the misfortune of still being under the NCAA's authority.
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Will you support the ncaa retroactively forfeiting the games Fluker played in?
 
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gardners_51609 said:
I agree that a sense of responsibility needs to conquered before you have a kid. But as far as separating the family. I do not know if you have a family or not. I am married and have a 2 year old. Them having to be moved because I could not take care of them would destroy me. Not being able to see my family. I know I would not be able to give full attention elsewhere. So I do understand a little bit of where Mo is coming from as far as the desire to care for your family.
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I don't have a family, but from 7th thru mid 10 grade I saw my father a total of probably 6 months a week or so at a time. He didn't want to uproot us for the better of our future. Was it tough on all as a whole especially my mom heck yes. But a man needs to do what it takes in the right way, and handle it as a man not be weak emotionally.

There are millions of illegals in this country that r here working with their loved ones back in their countries. Not able to have access to the communication forms that a UT student has etc. Is it ok they r here??

It's a weak decision made by a young person who should never have put himself in the situation in the first place.
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McDad said:
Will you support the ncaa retroactively forfeiting the games Fluker played in?
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No. Nor will I support the NCAA vacating wins from Tennessee or MSU. I never thought Couch should have been benched for the year.
 
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bamawriter said:
The USC and Miami issues weren't about coaches lending players money, so I have no idea why you're using them as examples. And while coaches were involved at Auburn, they didn't even pretend that the payments were a loan, and nothing was ever paid back.

However, even if your examples fit the scenario, they do nothing to refute the fact that the NCAA's rules are draconian and need to be fixed.
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It doesn't matter. whether you are a coach booster or whatever. So if Auburn would've pretended it was a loan Dye would've kept his job and no bowl and tv ban? Are you serious? What difference does it make if it's a 1,000 or 2,000. Here is the message it sends..."Look man, you can get money under a thousand and if you get caught say it's a loan and pay it back. You sit two games and then your back to playing games.

Unless this happens:

1. take money/loans etc... your gone

2. fail a drug test...your gone

3. get a DUI...your gone

4. get convicted of any crime (not traffic) your gone

Then we can stop watching thugs and maybe thugs will learn how to better citizens and guys that want to do right and give their all for their schools will play
 
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GAVol said:
It's harsh, but it's probably true. I'm sure he was trying to have it both ways so he'd have a shot at the NFL. I understand what he did, but I wish he'd tried something else. I just hope he got somewhere close to a degree.
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Think article said he'll have a degree in Sociology and graduating this Dec, I'm too lazy to go back and confirm
 
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Spartacavolus said:
He owes no explanation to me. I have kids and have been broke. Good luck to him.
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I agree.

I have kids. Formula, diapers, and providing them with the proper care will break most parents that are ready for them. I can't judge Couch and say he shouldn't have kids because I don't believe I practiced abstinence in college myself, I just got lucky enough that no one came up pregnant.

The system is an absolute broken joke and so are the fans that judge these players. Couch was punished for his honesty. If the system gave a damn about getting it right Bama would have a few NCAA calls about the situation but that will not happen.

LOL we got a bunch of saints on this board though.
 
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bamawriter said:
No. Nor will I support the NCAA vacating wins from Tennessee or MSU. I never thought Couch should have been benched for the year.
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Haha was handled according to ncaa guidelines according to you. Aren't the guidelines clear on the punishments for teams with players who are no longer with the program?
 
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Jails are full of people who had good excuses. Rules apply to everyone. Just the way it is.

I feel for Mo and hate that this happened. I wish he had explored other options. There are lots of ways for struggling families to get assistance-- assistance that would exceed $1300 and not hurt his future or UT football.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
It doesn't matter. whether you are a coach booster or whatever. So if Auburn would've pretended it was a loan Dye would've kept his job and no bowl and tv ban? Are you serious? What difference does it make if it's a 1,000 or 2,000. Here is the message it sends..."Look man, you can get money under a thousand and if you get caught say it's a loan and pay it back. You sit two games and then your back to playing games.
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I'm in no way suggesting that the amount of money should matter. I'm stating the simple fact that it does, and it's been SOP for a while now. This is yet another example of NCAA that aren't applied fairly across the board.

Unless this happens:

1. take money/loans etc... your gone

2. fail a drug test...your gone

3. get a DUI...your gone

4. get convicted of any crime (not traffic) your gone

Then we can stop watching thugs and maybe thugs will learn how to better citizens and guys that want to do right and give their all for their schools will play
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Good luck with all that. I choose to live in the real world.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
USC had to do it....
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There is a very significant difference between the USC situation and the situations surrounding Couch, Fluker, Clinton-Dix, Bray, etc. Several significant differences, in fact. It's fine if you want to lump them all together, but we'll simply have to disagree on that.
 
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McDad said:
Haha was handled according to ncaa guidelines according to you. Aren't the guidelines clear on the punishments for teams with players who are no longer with the program?
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I don't think I used the term "guidelines" as that would suggest that there is a written set of rules that lays out the punishments to fit certain crimes. But that's not true, as they pretty much make it up as they go along. The $1,000 limit has been protocol, but the punishment surrounding different amounts has been uneven, to put it kindly.

As to the situation in question, the NCAA has vacated wins for similar behavior, but they've not vacated wins in practically identical circumstances as well. So I have no idea what the NCAA will do, but I don't personally think they should do anything. I believe they need to revise their rulebook before taking any more punitive actions against any program. Their rules don't work in the modern world, and do nothing but keep poor kids broke.
 
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McDad said:
None. Funds were diverted from the kickers this season.
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Did you hear about the Bama Kicker trying to commit suicide after the game?

Had a bunch of death threats and stuff and decided to hang himself.


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But he couldn't kick the chair out from under himself
 
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TnTech_Vol said:
Think article said he'll have a degree in Sociology and graduating this Dec, I'm too lazy to go back and confirm
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bamawriter said:
I don't think I used the term "guidelines" as that would suggest that there is a written set of rules that lays out the punishments to fit certain crimes. But that's not true, as they pretty much make it up as they go along. The $1,000 limit has been protocol, but the punishment surrounding different amounts has been uneven, to put it kindly.

As to the situation in question, the NCAA has vacated wins for similar behavior, but they've not vacated wins in practically identical circumstances as well. So I have no idea what the NCAA will do, but I don't personally think they should do anything. I believe they need to revise their rulebook before taking any more punitive actions against any program. Their rules don't work in the modern world, and do nothing but keep poor kids broke.
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I understand. I was operating under the assumption that punitive guidelines were outlined. If they are discretionary, then I agree the rule book must be revised prior to enforcing punishments.
 
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Jake Tate said:
Did you hear about the Bama Kicker trying to commit suicide after the game?

Had a bunch of death threats and stuff and decided to hang himself.


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But he couldn't kick the chair out from under himself
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I heard the dude is immortal because he cannot kick the bucket.

I feel badly for the kid but not the program or the outcome.
 
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