Mo Couch explains the money situation...

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utvolpj said:
you said players don't have time for dates and stuff because it's all work and that's simply not true. I realize the hours put in but don't act like there's no free time (especially in the spring and summer)



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My freshman year was 97'. Nice....
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I'd have a lot less sympathy for these kids if there were any other route to the NFL besides going through the motions of being a college student and committing to a life of semi-poverty for three years. But there is not.
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Sometimes you have to sacrifice to get what you want! And to be honest, there not sacrificing much. Many kids would kill for a free ride, room and board, meal plan, medical insurance, etc.
 
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Lexvol said:
Vercy hit the nail on the head…Couch got caught with his hand in the cookie jar….while there are crumbs from devoured cookies all over every athletic dorm in the US.

The real lesson in all of this is that AA loves low hanging fruit.
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Yep, you take a bag of money and launder it through a church and no one will ever take that case.
 
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rockymountainvol said:
I believe this kid did more to help his family than intentionally try to hurt the program. Tyler Bray is a different story. He didnt have a family to support. If all the money he received was $1300, then the NCAA really has issues with suspensions when Manziel (without video proof) signed autographs for 5 figures. NCAA thrives on double standards.
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I don't think that Bray did anything to intentionally hurt the program I doubt he gave a damn since this was during the Dooley era of general malcontent but I don't think he wanted the program nor his name dragged through the mud.
 
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bamawriter said:
Some people want to pretend that these guys should just stay broke while others are making millions off their efforts, and they should just be happy about it.
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Welcome to the world. I worked retail in college. I had $8 to my name while the CEOs of the company were making millions. If they're good enough, they'll get their money, just like the rest of the college students. They don't like it, quit school and go play in Canada.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
Sometimes you have to sacrifice to get what you want! And to be honest, there not sacrificing much. Many kids would kill for a free ride, room and board, meal plan, medical insurance, etc.
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when did they take away medical care from regular students?

are you also advocating for all scholarship students to operate under the same rules as the football team?
 
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VFL34 said:
While the other kids going out on dates and things, if you took your team serious, you never had time for any of that. It was strictly business. When your 18-21 it is tough putting in that work. For a lot of players they never had a shot at the NFL either. We generate billions for the NCAA, and are on video games. We sell all their merchandise. We got taken advantage of.
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If we could find a way to legally pay players I'd be all for it…the real problem is title 9.
 
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utvolpj said:
when did they take away medical care from regular students?

are you also advocating for all scholarship students to operate under the same rules as the football team?
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He said free. It's there, but most students are paying their tuition to cover it.
 
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VFL34 said:
My freshman year was 97'. Nice....
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I realize the time commitments on players is essentially a full time job but most I knew had quite a bit of fun. I saw players from all sports in fraternities, out at parties, on the strip, on spring break, etc. and it wasn't just the backups
 
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utvolpj said:
I know the time commitments on players but most I knew had quite a bit of fun. I saw players from all sports in fraternities, out at parties, on the strip, on spring break, etc. and it wasn't just the backups
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I agree, I had my fun. At that age being an athlete u feel like a king. Definitely though, it was a grind. People making a ton of money off of you. I mean, scholarship money is made because a lot of athletes and boosters. I'm not knocking anyone but it is reality.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Depends on the school and the program. The fact is that he (and all others) KNOW that it is against the rules and if they want to play professionally, this is the route. So, they need to abide by the rules. And yes, I know the NCAA needs to be more consistent. But just because it isn't, doesn't give them the right/freedom to disregard the rules.
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It's just about a universal truth that human beings always feel free to disregard rules that they feel are unfair and imposed on them without their consent. And it's easy to see how a guy who just wants to play pro football would regard the whole song and dance of being a unpaid college student as something unfair that's being forced on him.

Since people almost always feel justified in ignoring (what they believe to be) unfair rules, it just becomes a cost/benefit thing. The risk of getting caught vs. the reward. And again, if marginal players like Mo Couch are being offered money, then it's got to be so widespread that Couch felt like there was almost no chance he'd get caught. And if he hadn't have had the terrible luck to take money from the same guy that also gave DJ Fluker some money, he'd have been right.
 
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salutethehill said:
Did he? Did someone steal all of their money?
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What if that's what happened? Do you know? Anybody who says they would not have done the same thing in his situation is lying. Yes what he did was wrong but putting your family's well being over everything else is a sign of a true man.

This is a totally different situation than needing some tacos. Couch has manned up and admitted what he did. I am proud of him. I wish Mo the best moving forward with his life.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It's just about a universal truth that human beings always feel free to disregard rules that they feel are unfair and imposed on them without their consent. And it's easy to see how a guy who just wants to play pro football would regard the whole song and dance of being a unpaid college student as something unfair that's being forced on him.

People almost always feel justified in ignoring unfair rules, so it just becomes a cost/benefit thing. The risk of getting caught vs. the reward. And again, if players like Mo Couch are being offered money, then it's got to be so widespread that Couch felt like there was almost no chance he'd get caught. And if he hadn't have had the terrible luck to take money from the same guy that also gave DJ Fluker some money, he'd have been right.
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Ok, I feel it is unfair that there are plenty of people who get away with driving drunk, so I'm going to do that and complain about how unfair it is that I go to jail. How's that sound?
 
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The only knock I have on mo's situation is what is he doing gettin married? Yet, that is not my business. Just an opinion. I do commend him for supporting his child and his wife though.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Ok, I feel it is unfair that there are plenty of people who get away with driving drunk, so I'm going to do that and complain about how unfair it is that I go to jail. How's that sound?
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Completely beyond stupid comparison IMHO.

One instance endangers lives of yourself and others the other violates arbitrary rules that are enforced when the NCAA feels like it. Let's not even delve into the hilarity of those buffoons deciding on punishments which are so confusing and confounding that no one can figure them out.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Ok, I feel it is unfair that there are plenty of people who get away with driving drunk, so I'm going to do that and complain about how unfair it is that I go to jail. How's that sound?
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If we set aside the .08 BAC mania that swept the country in the last 10 years, I think most people would not regard drunk driving laws as arbitrary and unfair, because they're designed to save lives. "You won't get a much of a chance to play pro football unless you can make a certain GPA in these college classes" and "People aren't allowed to buy you food" are much more arbitrary.
 
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Excuse my ignorance but what's the story on how he got caught? Why borrow from a former Bama player? And if anyone should know how to avoid paper trails, wouldn't it be a former Bama player?
 
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Morpheus said:
Excuse my ignorance but what's the story on how he got caught? Why borrow from a former Bama player? And if anyone should know how to avoid paper trails, wouldn't it be a former Bama player?
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The former Bama player, Luther Davis, is now a runner for an agent. Someone who used to work at the agency leaked the story.
 
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SDV said:
This is harsh, but he knew it was wrong and still did it and jeopardized our entire program over $1,300. He should've quit football and got a job if it were that bad
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I guarantee you if he had done that, some ash pit fan would have damned him for making that decision too.
 
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utvolpj said:
when did they take away medical care from regular students?

are you also advocating for all scholarship students to operate under the same rules as the football team?
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Scholarship athletes don't pay for insurance, where students (or there parents) foot the bill. Now how come nobody wants to argue that you have to be willing to sacrifice to get what you want in life!
 
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I think it's a bunch of crap anyways! These coaches and cordinators roll up in seventy five and hundred thousand dollar cars and you've got guys on the team that can't scrape together .89 cent for a taco.

I think if a student athlete is on a full scholarship to the school an allowance should be provided. I'm not saying pay these guys 50,000 dollars a year but no reason why they couldn't get a $2,500 or $3,000 allowance for support.

Not everyone attending college needs the help but some like Couch all he had going for him was his scholarship.

I stand behind him 100% and wouldn't have bothered me if he received more.
 
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