'24 MO DL Williams Nwaneri (Mizzou commit)

[5FingerVolPunch]

Didn’t RG say that the ASU transfer was an upgrade? I’d love to get a lot of high school kids but our portal players have been phenomenal and our staff is great at getting a kids full potential. Plus with a portal player we don’t need worry about them transferring

He did and that’s super rare for CRG. Kid must be good.

 

[JT3]

Wow...so like I said originally then, such a dumb law. It literally secures nothing for the home-state school. He can sign a financial aid agreement with 10 schools, collect in Missouri until signing day, and then sign and enroll in January at any school he wants to after that. Unless I'm missing something, that seems naive and foolish by Missouri lawmakers.

That's what I got out of it as well. I assumed the payments would start after they sign their NLI bc why would a school start payments to a kid who could then sign with another school. I hope Missouri gets played by all these kids. Plus, a 4 month head start on payments for early enrollees shouldn't be enough of a reason to sign with a school. Again, I believe he won't sign with Missouri bc he can start making money in September compared to January.

 

[JT3]

Guessing the Mizzou NLI contract would bind the recruit to attend Mizzou in some manner to prevent the recruit from signing elsewhere in January. If not, they are just throwing the $$$ away.

However, similar things have happened in the past. Who was the Oklahoma RB who took the Z28 from A&M and then went to OU later?

That would be the text book definition of pay-to-play which is illegal. I don't see how this law ultimately benefits Mizzou in the long run.

Edit: you were right, their law states they can bind students to the university which is illegal lol. This should be interesting.

 

[JT3]

That's interesting. IIRC, the NCAA NIL rules specifically state that you can NOT condition the payments on attending a particular school. Most contracts would bind the recruit to attend events in a particular area near the school to make it hard for them to attend elsewhere and still complete the requirements of their NIL contract.

The state NIL laws are like the wild west now.

Exactly. State law is in direct violation of the NCAA NIL rules and is a basically pay-to-pay imo.

 

[Jaxon_Vol2017]

People won't like to hear it, but if we miss on Nwaneri and Franklin, our DL recruiting is in trouble.

Last time I said we were struggling there I got obliterated saying I was a troll. And all I said was it was concerning, and it clearly is lol

 

[Jackcrevol]

I don’t have a problem with this. The problem I have is when all anyone talks about is the one position that is less than what we want. Nobody ever wants to talk about the good. Just what is bad.

can't close?

 

[Joe Dirt]

I don’t have a problem with this. The problem I have is when all anyone talks about is the one position that is less than what we want. Nobody ever wants to talk about the good. Just what is bad.

Well, that’s kind of the point of following recruiting…we’re here because we want to know who’s joining the program and what positions will be strengths or weaknesses in the future. Having a bad cycle at a position will make people worry. Again, this is kind of the point of this board…

 

[Jameis Jones]

I don’t think VQ knows what they’re talking about. The law says kids can get paid when they sign with in-state school as soon as they sign. Nwaneri could get paid starting in Dec, not this fall. Then again they could be using this “fall” as fall semester and counting the month of Dec. Arkansas and Texas have similar laws. The supposed advantage is that Mizzou can use NIL in recruiting (which everyone already does) as and inducement to attend their school as the school and coaches can be directly involved in negotiations and has language that says NCAA nor conference can punish them for it.

The law also makes donations to their fund tax deductible.

He can sign a financial aid agreement now that ties the school to him. That is why he can get paid immediately.

 

[Dudley Smith]

I can’t speak to our interior DL, but we’ve taken 4 edge players in the last two classes that are as good a foursome as anyone in the country has recruited. It’s not surprising to me that edge players for 2024 might think their chances of immediate PT would be better somewhere else.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I can’t speak to our interior DL, but we’ve taken 4 edge players in the last two classes that are as good a foursome as anyone in the country has recruited. It’s not surprising to me that edge players for 2024 might think their chances of immediate PT would be better somewhere else.

tell that to uga, clemson, bama, lsu

 

[swampfoxfan]

How much are the other top DL getting paid? Is there a reason none of them were our fallback options? Admittedly, I'm assuming they're getting fat checks too. But we know it looks like we're going to miss out on a top DL. Unless someone new pops up on the radar.

We don't normally get to see behind the curtain, so everything is speculation. But we do know DL is where we're really struggling in recruiting. So it's natural to wonder why. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that we need to adjust our NIL valuation of the position. Competition is what sets the market.

Last year we got Hobbs and Bradley, think recruiting staff knows what they're doing.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Last year we got Hobbs and Bradley, think recruiting staff knows what they're doing.

The mouthpiece of UTAD, VQ is beating the OL handwringing.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

People won't like to hear it, but if we miss on Nwaneri and Franklin, our DL recruiting is in trouble.

For gosh sakes let this saga play out. No question these guys have a higher PROBABILITY of success due to their physical development through their SO and JR year of HS, but they do not have guaranteed CEILINGS, in fact guaranteed FLOORS.

Between late bloomers in HS and several cycles of the portal there is a high probability that the staff can fill the needs before next fall with much better utilization of NIL.

ESPECIALLY if we do have immediate playing time at our NFL exposure level and RG calling the shots. Wailing, moaning, and gnashing of teeth is over the top, even with some subtlety.

Love to add some of these no-brainers, but odds are their are some brainers that will be drafted in the same class, maybe in the same rounds still attainable.

 

[jasonvol18]

Not really. Still in on Okoye, Fountain, and Ross. Transfer portal is still in play. And there’s a full season of HS football to played. A lot of time for kids to get reevaluated. Not to mention, we need interior D-linemen. Not sure either Franklin or Nwaneri want to play inside

And Smith!

 

[SweetasSoda]

can't close?

Closed on?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Well, that’s kind of the point of following recruiting…we’re here because we want to know who’s joining the program and what positions will be strengths or weaknesses in the future. Having a bad cycle at a position will make people worry. Again, this is kind of the point of this board…

Well, I thought the point of following recruiting was to see who we got…we’re here because we want to know who is joining the program and what positions will be strengths and weaknesses (at least until we address that in the portal).Having a bad cycle at a position will make coaches turn to the portal and really emphasize that position in the next recruiting cycle. I did not realize the point of the board was to make people worry about something they can do nothing about…except donate to NIL.

 

[Joe Dirt]

Well, I thought the point of following recruiting was to see who we got…we’re here because we want to know who is joining the program and what positions will be strengths and weaknesses (at least until we address that in the portal).Having a bad cycle at a position will make coaches turn to the portal and really emphasize that position in the next recruiting cycle. I did not realize the point of the board was to make people worry about something they can do nothing about…except donate to NIL.

What? Lol. Of course we have no control. But I’m fairly certain 99% of recruiting fans — from any team — get concerned about positions they miss on. Again, that’s why most people follow recruiting… Also, they are definitely “emphasizing” the DL this cycle, it’s just not going their way. Idk how they could possibly emphasize it harder next cycle.

 

[SweetasSoda]

What? Lol. Of course we have no control. But I’m fairly certain 99% of recruiting fans — from any team — get concerned about positions they miss on. Again, that’s why most people follow recruiting… Also, they are definitely “emphasizing” the DL this cycle, it’s just not going their way. Idk how they could possibly emphasize it harder next cycle.

LOL. You somehow managed to miss…Portal

 

[Joe Dirt]

LOL. You somehow managed to miss…Portal

Which is far, far less of a guarantee than traditional recruiting and developing…if that’s our plan after a swing and a miss in ‘24, then that’s a huge concern. Again, people being alarmed about a position after multiple misses is normal. Not sure why you’re policing people here.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

What? Lol. Of course we have no control. But I’m fairly certain 99% of recruiting fans — from any team — get concerned about positions they miss on. Again, that’s why m ost people follow recruiting… Also, they are definitely “emphasizing” the DL this cycle, it’s just not going their way. Idk how they could possibly emphasize it harder next cycle.

Too many declarative statements and not enough questions. Too little acknowledgement that the young guys on the roster and currently committed at DL were blessed by RG and may well have been behind the maturity curve and can close that gap by the time they need to step on the field, and of course any number of solutions are and will be available in the brave new portal world that also can have taken advantage of the training table and weight room at places that have an abundance of talent, or want to move up in the hierarchy of NCAA football.

Sharing of the woes REPETITIVELY is certainly not justified. Feel free to challenge all the posts by fans predicting AA status for all our DL depth as an offset to being challenged.

 

[Weezer]

For gosh sakes let this saga play out. No question these guys have a higher PROBABILITY of success due to their physical development through their SO and JR year of HS, but they do not have guaranteed CEILINGS, in fact guaranteed FLOORS.

Between late bloomers in HS and several cycles of the portal there is a high probability that the staff can fill the needs before next fall with much better utilization of NIL.

ESPECIALLY if we do have immediate playing time at our NFL exposure level and RG calling the shots. Wailing, moaning, and gnashing of teeth is over the top, even with some subtlety.

Love to add some of these no-brainers, but odds are their are some brainers that will be drafted in the same class, maybe in the same rounds still attainable.

It's funny, because I made a simple comment. No "wailing, moaning, or gnashing of teeth". In fact, your response comes across more like "wailing, moaning, and gnashing of teeth" simply because you didn't like the comment. You could have chosen to just engage in conversation, but no, you went straight to pissing contest.

 

[swampfoxfan]

It's funny, because I made a simple comment. No "wailing, moaning, or gnashing of teeth". In fact, your response comes across more like "wailing, moaning, and gnashing of teeth" simply because you didn't like the comment. You could have chosen to just engage in conversation, but no, you went straight to pissing contest.

Happens here often.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

It's funny, because I made a simple comment. No "wailing, moaning, or gnashing of teeth". In fact, your response comes across more like "wailing, moaning, and gnashing of teeth" simply because you didn't like the comment. You could have chosen to just engage in conversation, but no, you went straight to pissing contest.

Here was your SIMPLE COMMENT, "if we miss on Nwaneri and Franklin, our DL recruiting is in trouble. "

My opinion is your opinion meets the standard of my assessment this far in front of ESD and portal date restrictions. These are not the only 2 guys that can improve our program relative to our competition AND the same staff has and will identify some as worthwhile additions. Big difference between best possible additions according to the services and trouble and you did not allow for anything in that range.

 

[Weezer]

Here was your SIMPLE COMMENT, "if we miss on Nwaneri and Franklin, our DL recruiting is in trouble. "

My opinion is your opinion meets the standard of my assessment this far in front of ESD and portal date restrictions. These are not the only 2 guys that can improve our program relative to our competition AND the same staff has and will identify some as worthwhile additions. Big difference between best possible additions according to the services and trouble and you did not allow for anything in that range.

You left out the first part, "People won't like to hear it". Obviously, you didn't like hearing it.

Read some of my other posts and you'll see that I haven't ruled out adding contributors, but adding a big-time talent is another level than just adding contributors. A true superstar on the line would be nice to have. Like a Nico, but on defense.


And yes, it was a simple and true comment. Just because it will be in trouble if we miss on those two doesn't mean it will stay in trouble. But considering those are our top two targets at the position, and have been for some time, missing on them would be troublesome. Of course the staff would pivot and look for new options, but the immediate effect, like it or not, is trouble.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Happens here often.

I would guess that it happens about 30% of the times righteous indignation is absolutely warranted.