Moderately Successful Season ..

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volmandu said:
Before you spit all the venom ..think about it ..we won against a top 10 team ..almost beat a top 10 team (OT loss) ..had few good games and lots of bad ones ..
but we played with all new WRs ..our 4th string QB started 4 games for us and he didn't do AMAZING but he is a freshman and did fine to keep us fighting against biggest teams in Nation ( AUB, MISS )
Curt Maggit was hurt ..defense needed a lot of help ..they didn't have speed ..if Curt returns to full health, with cam sutton and few other showing promise defense will improve...
I predicted a 7-5 and we were very close to it ..(an OT loss and a bad review) ..I would call it moderately successful ..
It remains to be seen how bUTch will build on it ..he has a good starting point with #2 class coming in...

8-4 next season (9-3 best case scenario)..
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sorry bro, toilet bowl season with not much hope for the vols. you have to have solid position coaches and really the rb's coach is the only one worth what he is paid.
 
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volmandu said:
Before you spit all the venom ..think about it ..we won against a top 10 team ..almost beat a top 10 team (OT loss) ..had few good games and lots of bad ones ..
but we played with all new WRs ..our 4th string QB started 4 games for us and he didn't do AMAZING but he is a freshman and did fine to keep us fighting against biggest teams in Nation ( AUB, MISS )
Curt Maggit was hurt ..defense needed a lot of help ..they didn't have speed ..if Curt returns to full health, with cam sutton and few other showing promise defense will improve...
I predicted a 7-5 and we were very close to it ..(an OT loss and a bad review) ..I would call it moderately successful ..
It remains to be seen how bUTch will build on it ..he has a good starting point with #2 class coming in...

8-4 next season (9-3 best case scenario)..
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No way UT goes 8 and 4 with so many Freshman and Sophs filling up the two deep.

And not a successful season at all on the field except one, a win over S Caro.
 
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#83
So we lose our 4 best offensive players at the most important positions, minus runningback position😀, and play injured on defense and we expected to be incredible this year with no depth??? Be realistic. This was a no expectation season. Next year is a better way to judge. Butch has come into this knowing it is going to take time. For those who look at auburn, they have much different circumstances. Good recruiting and were consistent. Look at the other new coaches in the sec this year. They didn't fair much better. We will be just fine. I am anxious to see jalen. If he can learn to run with better leverage he will could be a heisman candidate.
 
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VFL34 said:
So we lose our 4 best offensive players at the most important positions, minus runningback position��, and play injured on defense and we expected to be incredible this year with no depth??? Be realistic. This was a no expectation season. Next year is a better way to judge. Butch has come into this knowing it is going to take time. For those who look at auburn, they have much different circumstances. Good recruiting and were consistent. Look at the other new coaches in the sec this year. They didn't fair much better. We will be just fine. I am anxious to see jalen. If he can learn to run with better leverage he will could be a heisman candidate.
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UT lost its QB, best 3 OL's, Eric Berry, Dan Williams, top two RB's, plus other valuable contributors... before Dooley took over. He still stumbled and bumbled his way to a bowl game.

You can try to gloss over it all you like. This was NOT a good start for this staff. The season was subpar and the coaching was not good enough to compete in the SEC.
 
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patrick said:
No way UT goes 8 and 4 with so many Freshman and Sophs filling up the two deep.

And not a successful season at all on the field except one, a win over S Caro.
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6-6 would be a good season next year. People keep setting bars really high, and then they become disappointed and want coaches fired. I ha the opportunity to play ball, and the product I saw on the field this year and coaching helped me to see what great potential and excitement we have in the future. Yes, there were some not such good coaching calls but every coach makes suspect calls, even the great Saban.
 
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6-6 would be a very good result next year... and pretty much equivalent to what a 7-5 record would have been this year. The staff will have to do a 180 to achieve 6+ wins next fall.
 
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sjt18 said:
UT lost its QB, best 3 OL's, Eric Berry, Dan Williams, top two RB's, plus other valuable contributors... before Dooley took over. He still stumbled and bumbled his way to a bowl game.

You can try to gloss over it all you like. This was NOT a good start for this staff. The season was subpar and the coaching was not good enough to compete in the SEC.
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And he also inherited, 4 nfl recievers, an NFL qb, and the current line we play with today. Also, the schedule this year was 100% tougher than dooleys first year. It is not comparable.
 
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You all keep saying coaching isn't good enough for the SEC, yet most coaches in the SEC come from smaller and different conferences. Although SEC is the best conference, there are other great teams and coaches out there.
 
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VFL34 said:
You all keep saying coaching isn't good enough for the SEC, yet most coaches in the SEC come from smaller and different conferences. Although SEC is the best conference, there are other great teams and coaches out there.
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And what do almost all great coaches have in common they are great recruiters who year after year bring in the best players and most keep their staffs together year after year.
 
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Would OP be happy with a juice box and a partcipation ribbon for his moderately successful post?
 
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Take everything into consideration and have realistic views and you will see we finished right where we should have this year. Lots of new and overall better players on the way next year. Also a lot of the players who, either subconsciously or not, have a losing mentality are on the way out.

Let butch get his players in. It's been a while since we've had a #2 ranked class. Enjoy that for a moment if nothing else.

I'm sure we're gonna see real improvement next year. It just takes patience. We will see real change
 
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GoVols15 said:
What does your comments have ANYTHING to do with the OP's post! If you are really a Vol fan, your appreciation for what these players did considering the talent and strength of schedule this year is beyond pathetic! You win the prize foe the NEGAVOL of the day!
:hi:
GO VOLS! We are RISING TO THE TOP and by the way we really don't need you!
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You post garbage. They should ban you for stupidity alone.
 
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VFL34 said:
And he also inherited, 4 nfl recievers,
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Can you name them? Moore was inherited. Rogers and Hunter signed with him and were Fr that year.
an NFL qb,
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What number were they drafted?
and the current line we play with today.
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More or less.... except they were freshmen and not Srs.

Also, the schedule this year was 100% tougher than dooleys first year. It is not comparable.
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No. It wasn't. That team played Oregon (12-1) plus LSU (11-2) and Bama (10-3) from the West. UF won 8 games that year... not 4. The light games were weaker opponents but most everything else was either similar or tilted toward '10.

And again... should we really be having a conversation where you are defending Jones by trying to claim he performed as well as Dooley?
 
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VFL34 said:
You all keep saying coaching isn't good enough for the SEC, yet most coaches in the SEC come from smaller and different conferences. Although SEC is the best conference, there are other great teams and coaches out there.
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The coaching we saw this year was not good enough if they are going to lead UT to championships. It simply wasn't.

That does not mean they won't improve or are not capable of better. It simply means what it means... the coaching this year was not good enough.

What a coach does before the SEC gets him a job. It does not make him a winner in the SEC. The SEC is on a different level than the Big East was, the ACC, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC, etc.

Jones didn't come out of a conference that can claim a high level of coaching quality. IMO, the Pac12 is 2nd to the SEC with the Big 10 and Big 12 coming after that.
 
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sjt18 said:
The coaching we saw this year was not good enough if they are going to lead UT to championships. It simply wasn't.

That does not mean they won't improve or are not capable of better. It simply means what it means... the coaching this year was not good enough.

What a coach does before the SEC gets him a job. It does not make him a winner in the SEC. The SEC is on a different level than the Big East was, the ACC, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC, etc.

Jones didn't come out of a conference that can claim a high level of coaching quality. IMO, the Pac12 is 2nd to the SEC with the Big 10 and Big 12 coming after that.
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Where did Meyer, Saban, and Miles come from before they were hired into the sec? Winning takes good coaching plus good recruiting regardless of conference. Jones has a good track record with booth.
 
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I think it's great that 9 of the 12 offensive commits are early enrollees. That's gonna pay huge dividends when August rolls around...
 
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volfan_89 said:
Where did Meyer, Saban, and Miles come from before they were hired into the sec? Winning takes good coaching plus good recruiting regardless of conference. Jones has a good track record with booth.
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Meyer was an instant success at BGSU and then Utah. I despise the guy but Utah is in the Pac12 now because of Meyer. If he never goes there... they're never a serious program nationally. He took them to a BCS bowl and won it. Utah was a similar program to Cincy. Jones did not achieve that level of success there.

Saban was successful previously at LSU. He came there from Mich St.

Miles came from Ok St... where he had beaten OU a couple of times with inferior talent. In his 4 years there, he made their program credible. I personally do not think he's a great "coach"... but he's apparently a great snake oil salesman because he can flat out recruit.

So to answer your question, two of those coaches came from one of the conferences I mentioned and another performed well enough at Utah to get them into one of those conferences.
 
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For what it's worth.....

David Cutcliffe, Randy Sanders and Dave Clawsen are all going to coach in a conference championship game this year. How many of you experts claimed that neither Sanders nor Clawsen could coach?
 
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Any time you lose to Vandy its a fail. Especially having 2 weeks to prepare for Vandy. You should only need 10 mins.
 
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snopes08 said:
For what it's worth.....

David Cutcliffe, Randy Sanders and Dave Clawsen are all going to coach in a conference championship game this year. How many of you experts claimed that neither Sanders nor Clawsen could coach?
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I've always been a pretty big fan of Cut and am certainly one of the few that continued to take up for Clawsen after he was let go. I STILL say he was caught in Fulmer's mess and had very little to do with creating it. He thought he had time to tear down the O and rebuild it. He had no idea how shaky Fulmer's situation was.

Sanders stinks as a coordinator. He's a good position coach and very good QB coach... but he's just not a very good OC. I doubt he would make a good HC. The Peter Principle applies with him. He rose to the level of his incompetence. Fulmer kept him there in part because Fulmer began to become insecure and didn't like people around him who challenged him.

Don't know if you remember but Fulmer talked about having someone around who would "challenge" him when he hired Clawsen. SOMEONE had told him that he couldn't hire another worker bee... he had to hire someone with talent.
 
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