"Mom" and "Dad" are now bad words.

[volbeast33]

Like hitting kids.

We need to go back to that.

 

[volbeast33]

Some kids can take it. Some kids cannot. The real problem is with the adults who can't find better and more effective ways to discipline.

Don’t raise pansies.... all my kids can take a spanking.

 

[n_huffhines]

The term and real world effect always ends up damn near same though and it has been proven.

Socialism left unchained leads to communism as the end game.

Left unchained? What does that mean?

What "real-world" examples can you point to of socialism leading to communism? I've seen where tumultuous revolutions have led non-socialist economies to communism. We currently have many countries with economies that have socialistic aspects and we have very few countries that qualify as communist.

 

[LouderVol]

Nazi literally stands for nationalist socialist.

Socialism and communism nearly always end up the same end game though.

Wha'ts your point?

They literally fought a war over the differences.

Communism is as "socialist" as Fascism is. Both are different means of government with socialist programs.

You are going from ideological (socialism) to political (fascism or national socialism). Any form of government can be socialist. Just look at our Republic, or other world democracies.

Cant knock someone's knowledge of history and get the basics of your own argument wrong in the process.

 

[n_huffhines]

Don’t raise pansies.... all my kids can take a spanking.

Yeah, because the only way a kid can go wrong is by becoming a pansy.

Spanking is debatable. I don't judge any parent because they spank, but I don't do it.

My Mom hit us. We're all tough but most of us have a strained relationship with her and some of us chose abusive partners.

 

[joevol33]

Where is the Mr. Potato Head thread? I didn't see where one of our left-leaning VN posters had created one decrying the problem. I'll go there right away and make my feelings known, just point me there.

IDK what it's going to take for you to understand the difference between liberal and libertarian, but it's well past time. I don't have a problem with Mr. Potato Head. I don't have a problem with people saying "Mom and Dad" or a private school asking their employees to avoid saying "Mom and Dad". I just want freedom and I want us collectively to spend more time worrying about important issues.

You can say how stupid this is. I think it's dumb, which is why I referred to it as a "problem" (tho minor). You can be worried about it. And I can comment that these are great times to live in. I don't understand why my saying that makes you feel like you can't post about this.

I just don't get the mindset of people having an issue with someone saying, or posting how stupid cancelling mom and dad is, but don't say anything about the people having a problem with the words mom and dad. I mean EL t uh need around and said cancelling mom and dad was stupid, but the first response is about the people who thinks it's stupid. I agree we got more important things to worry about, but I wouldn't say that to the OP first, as much as I'd say the people cancelling words need to focus on more important things.

 

[n_huffhines]

I just don't get the mindset of people having an issue with someone saying, or posting how stupid cancelling mom and dad is, but don't say anything about the people having a problem with the words mom and dad. I mean EL t uh need around and said cancelling mom and dad was stupid, but the first response is about the people who thinks it's stupid. I agree we got more important things to worry about, but I wouldn't say that to the OP first, as much as I'd say the people cancelling words need to focus on more important things.

I didn't say anything about anybody on either side of this debate in OP. I refuted the implication that these are not great times to live in. I genuinely think they are great.

You are completely confused about everything, man. And you're not able to get back on track.

 

[hog88]

Some kids can take it. Some kids cannot. The real problem is with the adults who can't find better and more effective ways to discipline.

Get rid of the kids that can't take it.

 

[Grand Vol]

Private schools have been doing weird ass sh*t for decades. I was taught in middle school that holding hands or frontward hugs were equivalent to sex.

Pepe? Is that you?

 

[volbeast33]

Yeah, because the only way a kid can go wrong is by becoming a pansy.

Spanking is debatable. I don't judge any parent because they spank, but I don't do it.

My Mom hit us. We're all tough but most of us have a strained relationship with her and some of us chose abusive partners.

I spank my kids..... my mom spanked me and my dad spanked...... I have an amazing relationship with both of them.... I don’t believe that spanking leads you to an abusive relationship...... I do know that kids are getting softer and softer every year..... I’m not sure the root cause of that but as a coach of a travel baseball team it’s beyond ridiculous.... kids crying all the time..... asking to leave possessions..Kids can’t handle anything anymore.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't necessarily disagree with you but at the same time I don't any of us or any people we know are sending their kids there.

Private schools have been doing weird ass sh*t for decades. I was taught in middle school that holding hands or frontward hugs were equivalent to sex.

I don’t disagree Dink. Being a private school it’s really on them to adhere to what their “customers” want. In this case it sounds like the paying customers aren’t really fully on board, the paying parents. But admittedly I have no dog in this particular fight.

 

[NEO]

They literally fought a war over the differences.

Communism is as "socialist" as Fascism is. Both are different means of government with socialist programs.

You are going from ideological (socialism) to political (fascism or national socialism). Any form of government can be socialist. Just look at our Republic, or other world democracies.

Cant knock someone's knowledge of history and get the basics of your own argument wrong in the process.

You can debate the term Marxist-Leninist state and the difference between pure communism and socialist leaning communism all day and the real world applications.

We are a Republic with socialist mechanics built into the system.

Russia is a very good example of a country that has walked the socialist/communist line since 1922 when the Reds won.

They have went back and forth for decades as the Soviet Union etc and will continue to go back and forth in the future.

On paper in economic terms you are completely correct that they are different. But in real world terms they have inter mingled greatly.

 

[n_huffhines]

I spank my kids..... my mom spanked me and my dad spanked...... I have an amazing relationship with both of them.... I don’t believe that spanking leads you to an abusive relationship...... I do know that kids are getting softer and softer every year..... I’m not sure the root cause of that but as a coach of a travel baseball team it’s beyond ridiculous.... kids crying all the time..... asking to leave possessions..Kids can’t handle anything anymore.

I'm sure your perception of other people's kids is completely fair in comparison to your own kids, your memory of you and your siblings and your peers, and your understanding of your parents' experiences. Let's draw conclusions from that.

The kids I see getting spanked at the park and at the grocery store don't seem to be very disciplined, so what now?

 

[LouderVol]

You can debate the term Marxist-Leninist state and the difference between pure communism and socialist leaning communism all day and the real world applications.

We are a Republic with socialist mechanics built into the system.

Russia is a very good example of a country that has walked the socialist/communist line since 1922 when the Reds won.

They have went back and forth for decades as the Soviet Union etc and will continue to go back and forth in the future.

On paper in economic terms you are completely correct that they are different. But in real world terms they have inter mingled greatly.

And the real world has used those terms completely wrong. You brought up history and then got your version of history wrong.

Marxism/leninism is an argument the other way. That's more of a pure thought argument, vs socialism which is much broader but real world, vs government/political applications of it all.

 

[Sandman 423]

Yeah, because the only way a kid can go wrong is by becoming a pansy.

Spanking is debatable. I don't judge any parent because they spank, but I don't do it.

My Mom hit us. We're all tough but most of us have a strained relationship with her and some of us chose abusive partners.

There is a difference in spank and abuse and it isn't a fine line either. I would also argue that mental abuse can be far worse than physical.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

The left has jumped the shark. At this point they dont consider any idea too stupid to pursue.

FACT!!!!

 

[n_huffhines]

There is a difference in spank and abuse and it isn't a fine line either. I would also argue that mental abuse can be far worse than physical.

Fair, and I'm not leaving it up to a school to decide what is harmless spanking for discipline and what is spanking because an adult is angry and can't handle their ****.

I would say that if you've ever spanked while the kid can tell you are angry, then you did it wrong.

 

[NEO]

Left unchained? What does that mean?

What "real-world" examples can you point to of socialism leading to communism? I've seen where tumultuous revolutions have led non-socialist economies to communism. We currently have many countries with economies that have socialistic aspects and we have very few countries that qualify as communist.

No country will fit any term in a pure sense.

Even china has Hong Kong operating under a different system.

The fact is you have to take the whole of the country and how they mainly operate to deem their stance, which is why China is considered communist.

Now in China you can own the home but not the land. This is not true communism. True communism would not even let you own the home.

But you will say wait we in the US can own land. Can you?

Unless you have a allodial title you actually don't own the land and hardly anyone in the US does.

You need to stop trying to use classroom terms as if they are real world.

Another example, BMW is a German Brand yet many of their cars are built in the US. Ford is American but built in Canada and Mexico.

They are based on where they are domiciled but in real terms BMW is not German if it is built in SC.

 

[n_huffhines]

No country will fit any term in a pure sense.

Even china has Hong Kong operating under a different system.

The fact is you have to take the whole of the country and how they mainly operate to deem their stance, which is why China is considered communist.

Now in China you can own the home but not the land. This is not true communism. True communism would not even let you own the home.

But you will say wait we in the US can own land. Can you?

Unless you have a allodial title you actually don't own the land and hardly anyone in the US does.

You need to stop trying to use classroom terms as if they are real world.

Another example, BMW is a German Brand yet many of their cars are built in the US. Ford is American but built in Canada and Mexico.

They are based on where they are domiciled but in real terms BMW is not German if it is built in SC.

We're all communiss

 

[NEO]

And the real world has used those terms completely wrong. You brought up history and then got your version of history wrong.

Marxism/leninism is an argument the other way. That's more of a pure thought argument, vs socialism which is much broader but real world, vs government/political applications of it all.

No Marxism is more than a pure thought argument.

You are also taking one example I used as a catch all.

You need to stop twisting my words.

And I gave Russia as a prime example and you dodged it.

They have went from socialism to communism back to socialism and very little has changed within the country.

 

[NEO]

We're all communiss

I know you are kidding but to a degree I agree here.

At the end of the day no one really owns anything.

A police officer can seize money if they deem it drug related without a burden of proof.

Eminent domain exist and they can take your home for a road at any time.

Bank accounts can be frozen.

So no one truly owns anything even if the "laws" say you do because there are "laws" that can supersede those laws.

 

[NorthDallas40]

We need to go back to that.

I saw a Charlie Brown meme that summed it up perfectly. Stupid should hurt.

 

[Sandman 423]

Fair, and I'm not leaving it up to a school to decide what is harmless spanking for discipline and what is spanking because an adult is angry and can't handle their ****

I think the school should call the parent and discuss before any physical punishment is administered. No adult should ever spank in the moment, My dad used to make us go to our room for 5 min before and I always thought it was to make us worry, but when I had my daughter he explained that it was for him to make sure he was in the right mind.

 

[hog88]

I saw a Charlie Brown meme that summed it up perfectly. Stupid should hurt.

That's one of our biggest problems these days. The movement to make stupid normal and painless.

 

[n_huffhines]

I know you are kidding but to a degree I agree here.

At the end of the day no one really owns anything.

A police officer can seize money if they deem it drug related without a burden of proof.

Eminent domain exist and they can take your home for a road at any time.

Bank accounts can be frozen.

So no one truly owns anything even if the "laws" say you do because there are "laws" that can supersede those laws.

Even if it weren't the law doing it, a thief can....but this is a useless exercise for the purposes of this discussion. The original point is there is a huge difference between communism and socialism and now we're talking about how none of this stuff actually exists. Cool.