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n_huffhines said:
Even if it weren't the law doing it, a thief can....but this is a useless exercise for the purposes of this discussion. The original point is there is a huge difference between communism and socialism and now we're talking about how none of this stuff actually exists. Cool.
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My point is in actual implications there has been very little difference between socialism and communism.

Cubs was communist until 2018. Now they can own private homes so YAY they are socialist.

They will go back to communism and not owning land the minute the leaders feel like.

That is how fine the line is.

That is all I was saying.

We can agree to disagree. I am ok with that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm sure your perception of other people's kids is completely fair in comparison to your own kids, your memory of you and your siblings and your peers, and your understanding of your parents' experiences. Let's draw conclusions from that.

The kids I see getting spanked at the park and at the grocery store don't seem to be very disciplined, so what now?
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It has nothing to with my kids..... it has to do with 30 years of coaching of how kids have changed.... if spanking your kids was all you had to do to be a parent..... Parenting your kids is all about the relationship that you develop with them.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I think the school should call the parent and discuss before any physical punishment is administered. No adult should ever spank in the moment, My dad used to make us go to our room for 5 min before and I always thought it was to make us worry, but when I had my daughter he explained that it was for him to make sure he was in the right mind.
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My dad wasn’t our main caregiver the majority of time..... mom always whipped us but if it was bad enough we got the wait to your dad gets home.... we knew the hammer was coming down on us when he got home.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It has nothing to with my kids..... it has to do with 30 years of coaching of how kids have changed.... if spanking your kids was all you had to do to be a parent..... Parenting your kids is all about the relationship that you develop with them.
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I've got a lot experience at the grocery store and at the park.

I would say people/kids are softer today*, like you said, but I don't think that's a bad thing...or a good thing. It's both. I disagree when you say they aren't capable of handling anything anymore. They're capable of different things.

*This is flawed, but my opinion of this is my perception of the way each generation handles war. Compare vets from WWI to Vietnam and there is a chasm of difference. Compare vets from Vietnam to Afghanistan and there is a chasm of difference. The freaking drone operators have PTSD.
 
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NEO said:
No Marxism is more than a pure thought argument.

You are also taking one example I used as a catch all.

You need to stop twisting my words.

And I gave Russia as a prime example and you dodged it.

They have went from socialism to communism back to socialism and very little has changed within the country.
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talk about twisting words, I said Marxism is more OF a pure thought argument. not A pure thought argument.

you brought Russia up after the fact, despite it having nothing to do with the Nazis.

Socialism and Nazi/fascist, goes together.
Socialism and Communism, goes together.
Communism and Nazi, do not go together, except for both being possible government extensions of socialism.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Even if it weren't the law doing it, a thief can....but this is a useless exercise for the purposes of this discussion. The original point is there is a huge difference between communism and socialism and now we're talking about how none of this stuff actually exists. Cool.
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I miss the drunk discussions/arguments in college about the various early 20th century "philosophers"
 
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n_huffhines said:
I've got a lot experience at the grocery store and at the park.

I would say people/kids are softer today*, like you said, but I don't think that's a bad thing...or a good thing. It's both. I disagree when you say they aren't capable of handling anything anymore. They're capable of different things.

*This is flawed, but my opinion of this is my perception of the way each generation handles war. Compare vets from WWI to Vietnam and there is a chasm of difference. Compare vets from Vietnam to Afghanistan and there is a chasm of difference. The freaking drone operators have PTSD.
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Imagine WW1 guys thinking WW2 wasn’t such a bad fight to be in
 
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LouderVol said:
And the real world has used those terms completely wrong. You brought up history and then got your version of history wrong.

Marxism/leninism is an argument the other way. That's more of a pure thought argument, vs socialism which is much broader but real world, vs government/political applications of it all.
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Both communism and Nazism are totalitarian, so the philosophy in the end doesn't really matter much. The individual is a slave to the state and isn't free to determine his/her future in either. Property ownership and collectivism don't matter if choice is removed by the state; further, both always resort to secret police and policies of fear and oppression to continue their reign. Just semantics and definitions to frame evil and fatally flawed concepts.
 
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AM64 said:
Both communism and Nazism are totalitarian, so the philosophy in the end doesn't really matter much. The individual is a slave to the state and isn't free to determine his/her future in either. Property ownership and collectivism don't matter if choice is removed by the state; further, both always resort to secret police and policies of fear and oppression to continue their reign. Just semantics and definitions to frame evil and fatally flawed concepts.
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Just semantics got a lot of people killed in the early 20th century.
 
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LouderVol said:
talk about twisting words, I said Marxism is more OF a pure thought argument. not A pure thought argument.

you brought Russia up after the fact, despite it having nothing to do with the Nazis.

Socialism and Nazi/fascist, goes together.
Socialism and Communism, goes together.
Communism and Nazi, do not go together, except for both being possible government extensions of socialism.
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So louder goes communism and nazi dont go together except when the possibly do due to government which is what I was saying all along....

So all of that to circle back to basically Neo was right but I just wanna see myself type.

Well done Louder.

Sheesh man.
 
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LouderVol said:
Just semantics got a lot of people killed in the early 20th century.
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Sure did, and it made a few rich and powerful at the hands of everyone else. It's dumb to think that those running governments do so for everyone else; it's especially dumb to buy into a totalitarian process. People who fell for Nazis and people who fell for communism paid dearly for their blunder, and that's why I say the philosophy makes no difference when the goal is totalitarianism. Face it, political power is simply the means to riches at someone else's expense.

I never participated in those dorm room debates about the philosophy of government and schemes, but I certainly felt like I needed hip waders when passing a room where the BS was taking place.
 
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AM64 said:
Sure did, and it made a few rich and powerful at the hands of everyone else. It's dumb to think that those running governments do so for everyone else; it's especially dumb to buy into a totalitarian process. People who fell for Nazis and people who fell for communism paid dearly for their blunder, and that's why I say the philosophy makes no difference when the goal is totalitarianism. Face it, political power is simply the means to riches at someone else's expense.

I never participated in those dorm room debates about the philosophy of government and schemes, but I certainly felt like I needed hip waders when passing a room where the BS was taking place.
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You actually just said what I was trying to articulate but failed.

The end game is totalitarianism. How they feel this is achieved is where the hairs get split.
 
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#119
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n_huffhines said:
Why? It's not going to affect my life one bit. Homosexuality was normalized and I think that's a good thing. Interracial marriage was abnormal, and now it's normalized. You assume all our current norms are good and proper.
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If pedophilia becomes normal will that be a good thing?
 
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NEO said:
So louder goes communism and nazi dont go together except when the possibly do due to government which is what I was saying all along....

So all of that to circle back to basically Neo was right but I just wanna see myself type.

Well done Louder.

Sheesh man.
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They go back to governments because that's what they are. I even brought up that democracies and republics are also forms of government. Doesnt mean they are similar enough to explain one with another.

You said Nazis used commie 101 tactics. I pointed out that that was clearly wrong. And instead of just saying "sorry I used the wrong term" you have continued to double down. And yet again you twist what I am saying to avoid dealing with your mistake.
 
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Volgolfer1618 said:
If pedophilia becomes normal will that be a good thing?
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good grief.

Same sex and interracial marriage are victimless at worst, how ****ing stupid are you to conflate consenting adult relationships with pedophilia?

You should be embarrassed by making such a mind numbingly stupid statement, sadly I’m not sure you’ll connect the dots on why.
 
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