Momentum. UF had it, UT is bleeding it

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lawgator1 said:
Last season, and barely. See above.

I'm talking about moving forward. We have quite the tailwind behind us, whereas UT is arguably capped out.
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Moving forward we still have an average HC who’s also a below average OC, but doesn’t see the need to hire a full-time OC.

Winning 8 games when we expected to win no more than 5 doesn’t change that.

FSU hitting rock bottom and a gift wrapped bowl win against Tulane’s backup QB doesn’t change that.

And I can’t give Napier credit for almost beating UT in Knoxville after he conveniently forgot “scared money don’t make money“ and went for 1 instead of 2. That game was ours to win, and Napier chose not to lose it but lost anyway.
 
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Also, I see @lawgator1 whining about not having Lagway vs Texas .... but Tennessee didn't have Dylan Sampson (2024 SEC Player of the Year and the 2024 SEC Leading Rusher) vs Ohio State.

We haven't used that as an excuse and I don't think we should. It's pathetic to make such excuses. Neither Lagway or Sampson play defense and neither would have changed much of anything had they played in those 2 respective games.

@lawgator1 is making some weak a$$ arguments here.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Moving forward we still have an average HC who’s also a below average OC, but doesn’t see the need to hire a full-time OC.

Winning 8 games when we expected to win no more than 5 doesn’t change that.

FSU hitting rock bottom and a gift wrapped bowl win against Tulane’s backup QB doesn’t change that.

And I can’t give Napier credit for almost beating UT in Knoxville after he conveniently forgot “scared money don’t make money“ and went for 1 instead of 2. That game was ours to win, and Napier chose not to lose it but lost anyway.
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What do you think Florida's record will be when they play Tennessee on November 22nd in Gainesville next year?

I see the absolute best case scenario for Florida as 7-3 .... with 4-6 being a worst case possibility.

What do you think? (.... and don't do that "0-10" bull $hit again.)

You guys play a very tough schedule once again. Good luck with that "momentum" thing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Last season, and barely. See above.

I'm talking about moving forward. We have quite the tailwind behind us, whereas UT is arguably capped out.
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That tailwind you smell is Napiers a**.. you trust where that blows you?
All this sudden Napier belief is the best thing that could happen to this rivalry for us right now.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Moving forward we still have an average HC who’s also a below average OC, but doesn’t see the need to hire a full-time OC.

Winning 8 games when we expected to win no more than 5 doesn’t change that.

FSU hitting rock bottom and a gift wrapped bowl win against Tulane’s backup QB doesn’t change that.

And I can’t give Napier credit for almost beating UT in Knoxville after he conveniently forgot “scared money don’t make money“ and went for 1 instead of 2. That game was ours to win, and Napier chose not to lose it but lost anyway.
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I was blown away by this decision. We’ve lost more games than I care to count in dramatic fashion to you guys. I was sure you were going for 2. That would’ve absolutely tanked our season if you had gone for it and gotten it.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Moving forward we still have an average HC who’s also a below average OC, but doesn’t see the need to hire a full-time OC.

Winning 8 games when we expected to win no more than 5 doesn’t change that.

FSU hitting rock bottom and a gift wrapped bowl win against Tulane’s backup QB doesn’t change that.

And I can’t give Napier credit for almost beating UT in Knoxville after he conveniently forgot “scared money don’t make money“ and went for 1 instead of 2. That game was ours to win, and Napier chose not to lose it but lost anyway.
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I was blown away- I knew yall were going for 2 and my heart sunk because you would’ve got it… I was so happy when you went for 1.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Last season, and barely. See above.

I'm talking about moving forward. We have quite the tailwind behind us, whereas UT is arguably capped out.
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You’re making a helluva lot of assumptions. I already said prior to this thread that you guys will be preseason media darlings, but to say that we’re capped out or in some sort of stall pattern seems a bit too far.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No doubt but that's a snapshot in time. The point is, UF is ascending and UT seems at best stalled. Do you not agree ?

It's impossible to know what the teams will look like in a year but right now you'd have to think UF next year will be the better team.
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You have got to be trolling. UF is ascending? By what measure?

If they finish above. 500 next year, I will be surprised.
 
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Carp said:
You have got to be trolling. UF is ascending? By what measure?

If they finish above. 500 next year, I will be surprised.
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Why why why....the measure is that they beat Tulane in the Pineapple Bowl.

The Green Wave came into the game tied for 5th place in the Sunbelt.


Yup...LoserGaytor is trolling 24/7 🧌
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Why why why....the measure is that they beat Tulane in the Pineapple Bowl.

The Green Wave came into the game tied for 5th place in the Sunbelt.


Yup...LoserGaytor is trolling 24/7 🧌
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They finished second in the American. You destroy all credibility by being dumb. Just hurting the overall argument
 
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lawgator1 said:
Last season, and barely. See above.

I'm talking about moving forward. We have quite the tailwind behind us, whereas UT is arguably capped out.
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The capped out comment is ridiculous. Heupel’s team this year made the playoffs with a run oriented offense, good defense, and mediocre at best passing game. I didn’t think that JH was capable of making it to the playoffs with a team like that prior to the season. Let’s not forget that the 2022 team would have also been in the playoffs with the 2024 format. That’s pretty good especially for a program that was in the cellar after 2020. I like our odds of seeing another good team sooner rather than later.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
I remember many years ago somebody started thread asking whether Kirby Smart had reached his ceiling. I thought "that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen on the internet."

Tennessee is not very good, but they're not very good in the playoffs. It is what it is. Billy Napier seems to be a very stupid person, but he's recruiting well. Are they getting better with a .500 record? sure they are. It's easy to get better when you're terrible. Josh Heupel seems less stupid than Napier, but he is certainly going to have to both coach better and recruit better to be as good as whoever is going to win. Somebody is going to win it and Tennessee is not that good.
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Tennessee was good .... Some changes need to be made, but all things considered, Heupel has recruited well. Your post is borderline incoherent.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Actually his post is incoherent without the need of a borderline.
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No attention is ever given to either the self-imposed scholarship reductions or to the recruiting contact restrictions that Heupel has had to work around since becoming Tennessee's head coach in January of 2021 ... which were the consequences of violations committed by the previous staff.

.... or to the fact that Tennessee didn't sign a Class of 2021, due to how late in the recruiting cycle Heupel was hired, and how many de-commitments and transfers there had already been before he was hired on January 26, 2021.

It is incredible that we were 11-2 in 2022, and that we just made the CFP in Heupel's 4th season. The job he has done here has largely been under-appreciated.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Last season, and barely. See above.

I'm talking about moving forward. We have quite the tailwind behind us, whereas UT is arguably capped out.
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You will be 7-3 at best when Florida plays Tennessee on November 22nd next year. 5-5 is a very real possibility for you guys when that game is played. You have a very unenviable schedule next year.

The "capped out" comment is indeed ridiculous. Tennessee just made the College Football Playoff with an offense nowhere near as productive as it was 2 years ago under Heupel. Tennessee is recruiting every bit as well as Florida is at the moment. Your posts are a mixture of wishful thinking and just plain delusional.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No attention is ever given to either the self-imposed scholarship reductions or to the recruiting contact restrictions that Heupel has had to work around since becoming Tennessee's head coach in January of 2021 ... which were the consequences of violations committed by the previous staff.

.... or to the fact that Tennessee didn't sign a Class of 2021, due to how late in the recruiting cycle Heupel was hired, and how many de-commitments and transfers there had already been before he was hired on January 26, 2021.

It is incredible that we were 11-2 in 2022, and that we just made the CFP in Heupel's 4th season. The job he has done here has largely been under-appreciated.
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The 2021 and 22 classes weren’t horrible, but they put us behind the 8 ball. More than anything, the restrictions hurt and still hurt to this day. We were still in desperate need of depth everywhere this year except up front on defense and RB.

That said, we don’t have a momentum problem
 
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lawgator1 said:
I never said that MSU was tough for UF.

But the larger point is that UF played UT to a tie at Neyland and UF had UGA beaten for a while until they blew up. As has been pointed out, UF and UT lost by the same amount to UGA.

That all suggests that UF and UT, top to bottom and over the season, were just about square. We lost to you at your place in OT. But UF got a lot better over the course of the season whereas UT, at best, stalled.

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How were you getting better by losing at Texas by 32 points on November 9th? That's a dumb comment.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What do you think Florida's record will be when they play Tennessee on November 22nd in Gainesville next year?

I see the absolute best case scenario for Florida as 7-3 .... with 4-6 being a worst case possibility.

What do you think? (.... and don't do that "0-10" bull $hit again.)

You guys play a very tough schedule once again. Good luck with that "momentum" thing.
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You know I don’t usually play the prediction game, but since you asked…

10-0……..because I heard someone on the internet say we’re ascending.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You will be 7-3 at best when Florida plays Tennessee on November 22nd next year. 5-5 is a very real possibility for you guys when that game is played. You have a very unenviable schedule next year.

The "capped out" comment is indeed ridiculous. Tennessee just made the College Football Playoff with an offense nowhere near as productive as it was 2 years ago under Heupel. Tennessee is recruiting every bit as well as Florida is at the moment. Your posts are a mixture of wishful thinking and just plain delusional.
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Your assumption is that you can return to the Hooker days and I don't see anything close to that right now.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Your assumption is that you can return to the Hooker days and I don't see anything close to that right now.
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Based on a redshirt freshman playing behind a sus offensive line with injured receivers. Your analysis is so dynamite. Let’s go back and look at some of your other recent analyses:

First there’s this whole thread:

Florida may forever be a relic

I have no respect for Bianchi, writer here in Central Florida, but this article of his, expounding on what Saban has had to say about UF, seems pretty spot on. Florida's NIL collective is disorganized, even now, and the money we keep investing in coaches, expecting a turn around in 24 months...
www.volnation.com www.volnation.com

Then there’s this:
lawgator1 said:
I understand the PTSD Vols fans have from years past, but your team is excellent and the Gators are in complete disarray right now. If the game were in Gainesville I'd give us one shot in 20 of winning. But in Neyland? More like 1 in 100.

People looking to parachute out of UF already I suspect, including Lagway. If I'm the Gator administration I'm taking him aside and promising that in the off season we will double his NIL deal and hire a coach with some speed-oriented offensive chops. Try to build a team around him in the next 2 years.

The Gators are going to struggle for awhile but its at a point where they bite the bullet and try to get things righted immediately, or just drift further and further behind.
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And this:
lawgator1 said:
Napier is out. Announcement tomorrow.
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I’m sure there’s more, I took all of two minutes just to find these gems
 
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