More Climate BS...

[LSU-SIU]

Satellite data, must be true.

The issue isn't that they are wrong... its that the purpose of it is to control or kill people, or financially gain from their lunacy.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Before man?

So, you want us to control the sea levels?

I guess I'm confused, I mean living has consequence too... but what is the issue here?

So, the sea levels have always been lower than what they are today?

Yeah...about that. Those seashells etc on top of 10,000ft mountain peaks beg to differ lmao. Of course, those may be from a "great flood" that is recorded by pretty much every religion and people in world history from all around the globe. I am gonna go out on a limb and say that the water cycle is a pretty closed loop....you know:

Evaporation
Condensation
Precipitation
Repeat

So the sea levels should be cyclical with the ice ages and be determined largely by how big/small the glaciers and snow/ice are on the coldest regions of the planet. Not by whether cars in the US are powered by gas or electricity...especially since China by itself pollutes more than the US and Western Europe combined. Just sayin...

Good post man. Its all a huge grift but the Left will never admit the truth.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Again for the record, I have no issue with people being wrong.... but that doesn't make it science either.

 

[EasternVol]

Yeah...about that. Those seashells etc on top of 10,000ft mountain peaks beg to differ lmao. Of course, those may be from a "great flood" that is recorded by pretty much every religion and people in world history from all around the globe. I am gonna go out on a limb and say that the water cycle is a pretty closed loop....you know:

Evaporation
Condensation
Precipitation
Repeat

So the sea levels should be cyclical with the ice ages and be determined largely by how big/small the glaciers and snow/ice are on the coldest regions of the planet. Not by whether cars in the US are powered by gas or electricity...especially since China by itself pollutes more than the US and Western Europe combined. Just sayin...

Good post man. Its all a huge grift but the Left will never admit the truth.

Those seashells at 10,000 feet are there because the rock they're in has been uplifted.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Even got Walter involved in the scam.
The End has Been Nigh for More than 50 Years Now

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Did you know that on average we (NASA, scientists) believe that a MASSIVE solar flare like the 1 that happened circa ~1850 happens about every 150 years so we are due?? We had a narrow miss in 2012 that would have absolutely wrecked this planet. Fried everything with electronics/circuit boards/computers on Earth. Massive forest fires etc. Not only would the entire US lose electricity, cellphones, stoplights, our banking and economy, but within 72 hours all of our nuclear power plants would meltdown due to the cooling controls being fried etc etc. Total destruction and our government projects at least 7 years to restore power nationwide....maybe longer depending on how many other developed nations were also torched and needed to replace their power grids, reactors etc.

Same thing happens if a nuclear warhead optimized for the largest EMP is detonated in space above the US at 40 to 60 miles IIRC?? Russia and the US have both already developed these huge EMP weapons and Russia has already sent a warhead into space. We probably have as well. Remember those high altitude balloons China was testing to see how to make them pass right over our country??? Same thing. Warhead EMP in one of those and our country was just sent back to horse and buggy days...we have already made NORAD (under a mountain) hardened and protected against this kind of attack so that we CAN at least launch ICBM nukes back at whomever sent the EMP. Thats it though. No planes flying. No ships sailing that were in port here anyway etc.

Our government did an estimate to see how much $$$ would be needed to protect all the tranformers etc on our grid, at power stations etc against EMPs and sabotage. Guess how much?

2 billion dollars.

2 billion to protect a vital asset against solar flares AND our enemies. Why isnt this already done??? We have sent hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine for a pointless war Americans dont even want. Why havent we spent $2BN to protect our country from a very real threat?

Bobby Kennedys wife spoke at length about this and many other eye opening things on Tucker. She is way more impressive than her husband IMO. Former CIA asset and a brilliant woman.

 

[LouderVol]

Here it is again :

Sea Level | NASA Global Climate Change

Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.

climate.nasa.gov

this is a great example of what I have been talking about.

changing technologies have produced changing results. are we supposed to assume that the marked increase in the rate of sea level rise change is completely coincidental with the change in the method we use to calculate it? I would suspect even in a completely closed system you would see changes in the readings if you changed the way the readings are done.

are they taking the readings from the same locations they were checking the tides? at the same times?

the link just takes you to a chart, not the actual data behind it that would potentially answer some of my questions.

 

[LouderVol]

Fractions of inches, or millimeters.

To be exact, relying on satellite measurements (which @LSU-SIU claimed couldn't be done).... scientists have measured the rate of sea-level rise at 0.13 inches or 3.4 millimeters per year since 1993. That is an accelerated rate to what had previously been the case.

what did the satellite data say before 1993?

 

[McDad]

this is a great example of what I have been talking about.

changing technologies have produced changing results. are we supposed to assume that the marked increase in the rate of sea level rise change is completely coincidental with the change in the method we use to calculate it? I would suspect even in a completely closed system you would see changes in the readings if you changed the way the readings are done.

are they taking the readings from the same locations they were checking the tides? at the same times?

the link just takes you to a chart, not the actual data behind it that would potentially answer some of my questions.

I orginally typed a novel in reply. deleted it to say, good post.

 

[hog88]

what did the satellite data say before 1993?

The cold war was dead by 1993 so per the Report from Iron Mountain (compiled in the 50s) once peace is predominate in the world and fear of another global war wains governments will need an existential threat to maintain control over the populace. After much consideration a threat of pollution/climate was deemed the most plausible threat to manufacture.

 

[LouderVol]

I orginally typed a novel in reply. deleted it to say, good post.

the problem is this exact issue has been part of their math to say man caused the change in rate of change from the very beginning.

they NEVER control for the other variables they introduce as they "research" this more. I worked with some very smart people at ORNL who said the actual man made change contribution is much much smaller than the changes we are seeing in the data.

right now the "science" is that the temperatures are changing 0.4 degrees per decade or century, whatever it is. The "science" can prove that man kind is responsible for some part of that change. something like 0.004 degrees per same unit of time as above. and then they just "extrapolate" that the rest of the change is also by man.

 

[LouderVol]

in regards to sea level there are huge numbers of variables that can impact the data. which I am very skeptical gets controlled for.

plenty of manmade changes can have impacts beyond the global warming aspects. Dredging is a huge issue for consistent data near ports and coastlines. depending on the type of dredging some will just push the silt at the bottom out of the way. 1/2 of that is towards the land. there are also plenty of efforts to deepen ports, at some points this would artificially lower the sea level, but it would likewise cause it to rise in others. unless its controlled for, there is no way to know.

changes in vegetation can cause very large differences too. natural lagoons and mangroves do tons to control the tides. human development interrupts that and generally makes the existing conditions worse, including impacting the tides. in that case we are taking away area for the tides to go into, thus raising the water level. if not controlled for it impacts the data.

good old fashion trash has an impact. still a HUGE environmental issue worth fixing, but its not accounted for. its part of the "science" but its *probably* not factored for in this data.

I don't really understand the science but saltier water is heavier, even in the ocean you get layers of this. as the oceans get saltier, and more chemicals (again another huge environmental issue), we change those layers of water. with the denser water in many places taking up a larger percentage than it did before. this leaves less of the less dense water at the top to "absorb" the tides, resulting in higher tides as the same energy pushes less water. again its part of the science but its not controlled for.

some may say these are all still part of the man made issues leading to a global rise in water levels. but the thing is none of those is going change actual sea levels to cause us to drown or lose land, but it does change the data we take. but the change in that data can be used to bolster man made climate change.

There are two completely separate issues that are also never addressed. the earth's rotation is slowing. this means the moon has longer to pull the water in one direction. secondly the moon has natural cycles based on the time of the month where it is closer and further away from the earth. the moon is moving further away from the earth and average of like 3 centimeters a decade or something. taking that on its face you would think the moon at it closest, and furtherest is 3 centimeters further away. but its not. at some points in that cycle the moon is still the same distance away, but it gets even further away at its most distant point. this means the pendulum pull of the moon is swinging further and further out, which also has a greater impact on the tides.

we have also had a number of changes of our understanding of what is going on with the earth in the last couple years.

Earth's tectonic plates have doubled their speed

The latest study suggests Earth's plates today move twice as fast as they did 2 billion years ago – maybe because the mantle has got more runny

www.newscientist.com

1. the speed at which the tectonic plates move has increased, allegedly being faster than it ever has since the current land masses formed. This is still debated, and its debated what impact this has. More land vs less land vs just increased rate of change but same area of land.
2. we know there is at least twice as much water in the mantle that we had assumed. this plus the increased movement in the plates could result in some of the sea level increase being driven from below as well. again just a theory now, but its a variable that isn't addressed.

all of these are incredibly minute changes. but relative to the assumed changes humanity has caused they are quiet significant.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I'm no expert on this. It doesn't appear that you are either. I'm posting data collected by scientists who have researched the topic, as part of their jobs. In other words, people who understand that satellite technology can be used to measure sea levels.

You mean people who rely on grants. Grants pretty much limited by people hell-bent on proving man made climate change to people proposing that kind of research.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I'm no expert on this. It doesn't appear that you are either. I'm posting data collected by scientists who have researched the topic, as part of their jobs. In other words, people who understand that satellite technology can be used to measure sea levels.

This has nothing to do with being an expert on anything.

Let's say for argument sake that the sea levels are rising, so what? Haven't they not existed in history and been higher in history? What's the problem? What are the sea levels suppose to be at?

You actually sound like you need to be locked up at this point.

Look at why they're called the "coastal plains."

 

[Orangeburst]

I believe Musk thinks we are actually entering on even in a Ice Age.

 

[GroverCleveland]

When another Tambora occurs, see how fast the global warming fear mongers get lynched.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I believe Musk thinks we are actually entering on even in a Ice Age.

The problem is... we have limited data and possibly corrupted data to make any real educated guess. The problem with this is in context to the topic is.... what is "climate change" and what is bad "climate change". Which would indicate there could be good "climate change". When they say the temperature this or the sea rises that.... well, my question is... what should they be?

The solution is what they want which has nothing to do with the climate i.e. control, greed, evil, etc.

If they don't want change, it would seem like they need to build their own Death Star... the change in something like that would be minimal in theory. Anyone that has studied engineering at any level knows there are cycles and cycles within the cycles even on the Death Star.

 

[Vol423]

The problem is... we have limited data and possibly corrupted data to make any real educated guess. The problem with this is in context to the topic is.... what is "climate change" and what is bad "climate change". Which would indicate there could be good "climate change". When they say the temperature this or the sea rises that.... well, my question is... what should they be?

The solution is what they want which has nothing to do with the climate i.e. control, greed, evil, etc.

If they don't want change, it would seem like they need to build their own Death Star... the change in something like that would be minimal in theory. Anyone that has studied engineering at any level knows there are cycles and cycles within the cycles even on the Death Star.

I was unaware of the discipline of Death Star science.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I was unaware of the discipline of Death Star science.

Realistically there is no place in which the climate doesn't change, at least as far as we know of in the realm of what humans would be alive.

Even on a man made platform, say the Death Star... the climate would still be subject to cycles and flux.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

When another Tambora occurs, see how fast the global warming fear mongers get lynched.

Not if, but WHEN the next Carrington Event happens people will be ready to lynch our government officials too...unless we get prepared first. We are actually already overdue for another event of that magnitude.

Carrington Event - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Wireless1]

Now we're cooking.

Those places, some going back thousands of years, had ports then and they have ports now.

How is it possible with seas rising at 40 cm per century, or 400cm per millennia (about 13 feet) that these places had functional ports several millennia ago and also have functional ports today?

My question is what is the standard that the “sea level” is being referenced to?
Due to tech tonic movement and erosion it can’t be land based.

 

[McDad]

My question is what is the standard that the “sea level” is being referenced to?
Due to tech tonic movement and erosion it can’t be land based.

It's a good question. In some areas land mass is rising. In others, it's falling. Sea level is getting lower in some areas relative to land mass.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

It's a good question. In some areas land mass is rising. In others, it's falling. Sea level is getting lower in some areas relative to land mass.

Coastal NC is sinking. So it skews the statistics for rising sea level. Just read an article about it recently. Good point bud

 

[Orangeburst]

Coastal NC is sinking. So it skews the statistics for rising sea level. Just read an article about it recently. Good point bud

pure luck for him

 

[GroverCleveland]

Not if, but WHEN the next Carrington Event happens people will be ready to lynch our government officials too...unless we get prepared first. We are actually already overdue for another event of that magnitude.

Carrington Event - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Cool bit of history! Thanks for bringing that up as I had never read about it before.