More Climate BS...

[hog88]

@hog88, I hope I have adequately explained why i disagree with BB's premise about the threat to global trade due to CC.

You have and I understand why you disagree.

It's all a mute point anyway. The poles reversing again would cause catastrophic economic damage, the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation stopping would lead to mass die offs of people, plants and animals and of course the sun will kill us off at some point. Man's effect of the climate is way on down the list of what we should be worried about.

 

[hog88]

It's not my premise. I'm no expert on this, and will be the first to admit it. It's NASA's belief, based on their data, which I happen to trust.

NASA doesn't have enough data to make those determinations.

 

[McDad]

It's not my premise. I'm no expert on this, and will be the first to admit it. It's NASA's belief, based on their data, which I happen to trust.

edited the post to accurately reflect your position.

 

[BowlBrother85]

NASA doesn't have enough data to make those determinations.

Sorry, but of course, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Sorry, but of course, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours.

But has the sea level always been the same?

Even if we are to believe everything you are saying, I don't see the point in the discussion. What's the actual issue?

 

[BowlBrother85]

But has the sea level always been the same?

No .... it's just rising at an accelerated rate. There have been tangible consequences.

 

[LSU-SIU]

No .... it's just rising at an accelerated rate. There have been tangible consequences.

Before man?

So, you want us to control the sea levels?

I guess I'm confused, I mean living has consequence too... but what is the issue here?

So, the sea levels have always been lower than what they are today?

 

[hog88]

Sorry, but of course, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours.

I have no doubt that you would.

 

[McDad]

No .... it's just rising at an accelerated rate. There have been tangible consequences.

Fractions of inches, or millimeters.

To be exact, relying on satellite measurements (which @LSU-SIU claimed couldn't be done).... scientists have measured the rate of sea-level rise at 0.13 inches or 3.4 millimeters per year since 1993. That is an accelerated rate to what had previously been the case.

This is accelerated compared to prior to 93?

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is accelerated compared to prior to 93?

Heck, I'm just trying to figure out what the sea level is suppose to be at.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Here it is again :

Sea Level | NASA Global Climate Change

Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.

climate.nasa.gov

Do you think NASA or scientists that echo this make money off of echoing it?

 

[EasternVol]

Now we're cooking.

Those places, some going back thousands of years, had ports then and they have ports now.

How is it possible with seas rising at 40 cm per century, or 400cm per millennia (about 13 feet) that these places had functional ports several millennia ago and also have functional ports today?

Sea level change hasn't been constant though. There was a Little Ice Age in the, what, 1600's? Other factors are at play too, like heave and subsidence, Yes there are some ports thousands of years old still in use, there are some very old ones that are underwater, and there are some now above sea level.

 

[McDad]

Sorry, but of course, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours.

There is evidence, in another field of study, that when data is found which goes against the narrative, the researchers are inclined to bury it for fear of being ostracized and excommunicated. And rather than be encouraged by their peers to get the truth out, are advised by those peers to sit on the findings.

 

[McDad]

Sea level change hasn't been constant though. There was a Little Ice Age in the, what, 1600's? Other factors are at play too, like heave and subsidence, Yes there are some ports thousands of years old still in use, there are some very old ones that are underwater, and there are some now above sea level.

exactly. The point is when man wants to continue to use the area, a response to the threat is created. Would be true if water levels are rising or falling. Also true for land masses that are rising and falling.

 

[BowlBrother85]

There is evidence, in another field of study, that when data is found which goes against the narrative, the researchers are inclined to bury it for fear of being ostracized and excommunicated. And rather than be encouraged by their peers to get the truth out, are advised by those peers to sit on the findings.

I'm sure that's probably true, and yet, I'm still more inclined to believe NASA's conclusions than I am the conclusions drawn by people who post to this forum, which often tend to be conspiratorial in nature, and follow Trump's lead in a distrust of institutions.

 

[EasternVol]

exactly. The point is when man wants to continue to use the area, a response to the threat is created. Would be true if water levels are rising or falling. Also true for land masses that are rising and falling.

That's true when such adjustment is possible. In some places the only option is to skedaddle when the water rises.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I'm sure that's probably true, and yet, I'm still more inclined to believe NASA's conclusions than I am the conclusions drawn by people who post to this forum, which often tend to be conspiratorial in nature, and follow Trump's lead in a distrust of institutions.

What conclusions has NASA made?

What is the sea level suppose to be?


There simply isn't anything complex about all this. Even if we assume there was a sea level rise, what is the issue here? You keep writing but you really aren't providing anything of meaningful value.

 

[BowlBrother85]

What conclusions has NASA made?

If you really do care? Click on the links that I have already posted.

 

[LSU-SIU]

If you really do care? Click on the links that I have already posted.

NASA isn't part of the discussion, you came on the forum.

What is the sea level suppose to be?

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I'm sure that's probably true, and yet, I'm still more inclined to believe NASA's conclusions than I am the conclusions drawn by people who post to this forum, which often tend to be conspiratorial in nature, and follow Trump's lead in a distrust of institutions.

You included muh Trump into your response?

 

[BowlBrother85]

NASA isn't part of the discussion, you came on the forum.

What is the sea level suppose to be?

NASA has collected data through extensive research on rising sea levels. I would say that makes them relevant to the discussion.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Climate change impacts on seaports: A growing threat to sustainable trade and development | UNCTAD

unctad.org

The party opposed to stem cell research and IVF treatments lives on.

Anyone remember when global warming caused the sea level of the Atlantic to rise until it broke through the dam at Gibraltar? Created all those nice beaches and ports?

And the Sun did it for free without the UN or John Kerry! Good times.

 

[LSU-SIU]

NASA has collected data through extensive research on rising sea levels. I would say that makes them relevant to the discussion.

You are not saying anything. NASA is not part of this forum. You are making claims, and you are not answering in good faith.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You included muh Trump into your response?

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Hey man, if you don't believe him... you don't believe in science.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You are not saying anything. NASA is not part of this forum. You are making claims, and you are not answering in good faith.

I'm no expert on this. It doesn't appear that you are either. I'm posting data collected by scientists who have researched the topic, as part of their jobs. In other words, people who understand that satellite technology can be used to measure sea levels.