More Climate BS...

[Orangeburst]

After my Pappaw retired from the AF (at 45 with 26yrs) he worked for TVA for 20+ years in Knoxville and retired from them too...he didnt have a college degree but built, rebuilt, and repaired machines and devices of various kinds for them. Sometimes downtown and sometimes at the Dams and stuff. I was lucky enough to be really close to him and he took me to a lot of TVA sites and stuff growing up. He explained to me about electricity being in/out of phase and how it has to do with the waves lining up with eachother from top to trough etc...drawing pictures on a piece of paper at the kitchen table. Same way he taught me the 4 cycles in an ICE, how electrical and brake systems worked in cars, and pretty much everything else man/science related. He was everything to me, and still is. Anyway, thanks for reminding me of him today. Also for sharing some of your expertise in this area. You and my Pappaw (and me) would be like peas in a pod. He taught me how to solder, and build circuits with capacitors, resistors, switches etc too...from your previous posts I remember that you are very knowledgeable about this stuff too. He built all kinds of contraptions and machines, from simple to very complex. He was extremely kind and helpful to everyone, and had a great sense of humor. After he retired the 2nd time from TVA, he volunteered for the rest of his life with a charity called Remote Area Medical out of Knoxville. He gave his time for them up until he couldn't drive anymore. He is the best man I have ever known.

Having a good male influence in ones young, and even old, life is so important. A shame what we have become generally as a nation.

 

[AM64]

I don't expect any nuclear generation to come on line at all anytime soon unless some very heavy subsidizing comes along.
The thought that the SMR's are the answer is a joke IMHO. The Nuscale design is the only SMR which has an approved design but within the past couple of months they pulled out of the only contract they had to build one in the U.S.
The other approved and proven designs are the AP 1000 and maybe a GE design but these are the large capacity generators which as far as I know, have none, zero, nada ordered. Once the second unit at Vogle goes commercial then that is it.
If the forecast growth follows the prediction along with retirements, then the primary way it will be able to be met will be with combined cycle gas units. Those can be built fairly quickly. Then most of your eggs are in one basket so bend over.

That is exactly the way I'm thinking. Investment markets aren't going to fund new long term projects regardless of the need - just doesn't fit the immediate return/what have you done for me lately mentality that the country has become. That pretty much fits all the energy sectors from nuclear plants to oil refineries and probably transmission needs. The political atmosphere waffles too much and the lead times are simply too long for private investment to work; it will all come down to subsidies of some sort.

I never understood the economics of the modular reactor concept - just didn't really make sense when you factor in licensing and site approval. It has to be a big plant and almost certainly multi unit to make the preliminaries worth the effort. The thought of stringing together a bunch of small reactors to power a common generator and use common balance of plant equipment seems barely sane. Just doesn't seem the way to go in the long run, though.

Going to NG generation still has two really huge drawbacks. The first doesn't get much attention; but for customers, there was a major advantage in having both gas and electric for on site use. Sure there is a cost in going from gas heat to a heat pump or vice versa; but if one power source is trending up, there is an option. I did that several years ago when gas prices were rising and electric rates were regulated. Considering just the escalation in monthly gas bills for hot water and mostly stove top cooking, that looks more and more like the right move. With the move to NG electric generation, the end user loses because competition based on electric and gas dissolved since we now compete with electric generation as NG users, and the overall NG demand just jumped with loss of coal powered generation and no nuclear to replace it.

The other issue of NG electric generation is that it is still a fossil fuel; and as long as political/environmental policy is driven by eco-nuts, it's a very risky move. Maybe the thinking is that if a huge proportion is generated by NG then it would be impossible to make a policy banning that like coal, but all things considered with the radical and unrealistic political swings, that's not sound thinking. Worse is that NG, while not at all bad for load following and reasonably quickly built when demand requires, in the long run really wrecks the formulation of a sound, sustained base load electric power generation. That's especially true as solar and wind increase their contribution without the recognition by political entities that it is extremely disruptive power even if it appears to be mostly free.

 

[AM64]

After my Pappaw retired from the AF (at 45 with 26yrs) he worked for TVA for 20+ years in Knoxville and retired from them too...he didnt have a college degree but built, rebuilt, and repaired machines and devices of various kinds for them. Sometimes downtown and sometimes at the Dams and stuff. I was lucky enough to be really close to him and he took me to a lot of TVA sites and stuff growing up. He explained to me about electricity being in/out of phase and how it has to do with the waves lining up with eachother from top to trough etc...drawing pictures on a piece of paper at the kitchen table. Same way he taught me the 4 cycles in an ICE, how electrical and brake systems worked in cars, and pretty much everything else man/science related. He was everything to me, and still is. Anyway, thanks for reminding me of him today. Also for sharing some of your expertise in this area. You and my Pappaw (and me) would be like peas in a pod. He taught me how to solder, and build circuits with capacitors, resistors, switches etc too...from your previous posts I remember that you are very knowledgeable about this stuff too. He built all kinds of contraptions and machines, from simple to very complex. He was extremely kind and helpful to everyone, and had a great sense of humor. After he retired the 2nd time from TVA, he volunteered for the rest of his life with a charity called Remote Area Medical out of Knoxville. He gave his time for them up until he couldn't drive anymore. He is the best man I have ever known.

I'm still concerned that we don't have the opportunities to learn how stuff worked like when I was a kid. There are two parts to really becoming an engineer - one is actually seeing how stuff works - getting your hands dirty - getting a feel for how things work. The other part is the theory to go with it. The best engineers are always the ones who grew up working on stuff and learning the math and science behind it. Given one or the other, I honestly think I'd generally trust the guy with dirty fingernails over the guy who learned all he knows from books in a classroom.

I'm really concerned about our future in all facets. Too many people can't function without phones, computers, etc. The military is building machines essential to our defense with what seems no awareness of complexity and availability - especially once maintenance on a remote site near a battlefield with tortured logistics becomes the issue. With the complexity and interdependence in electronics and programming in the process, maintenance of everything from a simple toaster oven to a car has become a nightmare - some stuff you just replace because there is no logical path to repair. As complexity increases, manufacturers are naturally loathe to providing any insight and theory into how the systems work; and where in the past you could buy discrete components, that's all out the window now. Not sure that with three steps forward we haven't actually taken five or more backwards.

You are one of the very fortunate kids who grew up with someone having the knowledge and the patience and aptitude to mentor you the way your Pappaw did ... and having the good sense to listen and learn!

 

[Orangeburst]

CCP-tied group is quietly fueling US-based climate initiatives: tax filings

FIRST ON FOX: A climate nonprofit in China with former Chinese government officials wired millions of dollars to fuel eco initiatives in the U.S. last year, according to tax forms.

news.yahoo.com

fools

 

[AM64]

CCP-tied group is quietly fueling US-based climate initiatives: tax filings

FIRST ON FOX: A climate nonprofit in China with former Chinese government officials wired millions of dollars to fuel eco initiatives in the U.S. last year, according to tax forms.

news.yahoo.com

fools

Great game plan. It makes perfect sense to con an adversary into committing stupid mistakes. We are a perfect target because every new generation is dying to prove that they know better than the old farts running the country.

If you actually wanted to sabotage an adversary's economy and splinter the population, some of the best things you could support in the background would be destroying a workable energy policy, destroying competitive industry by supporting unions, fracturing the political base by supporting divisive policies like BLM and DEI. Obviously (from a few commenters on here) invading the educational system and teaching that the US is the Great Satan and starting kids early on "anti-establishment" policy is a fantastic starting point. Two adversarial political parties vying for power are perfect for applying the con.

 

[Orangeburst]

New road plans promise to 'charge electric vehicles while driving'

ELECTRIC vehicle owners have been notified of new road plans that promise to act as a charging station as cars drive on them. In Florida, between Lake and Orange Counties, EV enthusiasts are excite…

www.the-sun.com

500M..wonder how many miles, will this be energy efficient?

 

[AM64]

New road plans promise to 'charge electric vehicles while driving'

ELECTRIC vehicle owners have been notified of new road plans that promise to act as a charging station as cars drive on them. In Florida, between Lake and Orange Counties, EV enthusiasts are excite…

www.the-sun.com

500M..wonder how many miles, will this be energy efficient?

Wanna bet that a bunch of taxpayer money will get flushed to some shady characters, companies in the mix will be declared bankrupt before 2025, and nothing will happen except the fleecing of the taxpayer. Seems like we see this kind of stuff on a regular basis, and nobody has an interest in protecting the taxpayer.

 

[AM64]

New road plans promise to 'charge electric vehicles while driving'

ELECTRIC vehicle owners have been notified of new road plans that promise to act as a charging station as cars drive on them. In Florida, between Lake and Orange Counties, EV enthusiasts are excite…

www.the-sun.com

500M..wonder how many miles, will this be energy efficient?

Somewhat. It's cheaper to move money electronically than the old fashioned way.

 

[Orangeburst]

Somewhat. It's cheaper to move money electronically than the old fashioned way.

CFX

The Central Florida Expressway Authority is responsible for construction, maintenance and operation of toll roads in four counties of Greater Orlando.

www.cfxway.com

4.4 mile tollway for $534 million..what a deal.
Lets say you are zipping along at say 65mph, just how much capacitance would one expect?

 

[StarRaider]

CFX

The Central Florida Expressway Authority is responsible for construction, maintenance and operation of toll roads in four counties of Greater Orlando.

www.cfxway.com

4.4 mile tollway for $534 million..what a deal.
Lets say you are zipping along at say 65mph, just how much capacitance would one expect?

1.21 gigawatts?

 

[Orangeburst]

1.21 gigawatts?

lets shoot back to 1986 and go toss darts at Scrappys

 

[LouderVol]

Great game plan. It makes perfect sense to con an adversary into committing stupid mistakes. We are a perfect target because every new generation is dying to prove that they know better than the old farts running the country.

If you actually wanted to sabotage an adversary's economy and splinter the population, some of the best things you could support in the background would be destroying a workable energy policy, destroying competitive industry by supporting unions, fracturing the political base by supporting divisive policies like BLM and DEI. Obviously (from a few commenters on here) invading the educational system and teaching that the US is the Great Satan and starting kids early on "anti-establishment" policy is a fantastic starting point. Two adversarial political parties vying for power are perfect for applying the con.

supporting Trump is also a good way to divide this country. like him or not you have to recognize that people are very polarized on him and it creates division in the country.

 

[Orangeburst]

supporting Trump is also a good way to divide this country. like him or not you have to recognize that people are very polarized on him and it creates division in the country.

Trump didnt create the division. He just exposd it. Once Trump is gone, it will still be as virulent.
You think the machine will just roll over if your balanced budget candidate were to win?

 

[LouderVol]

Trump didnt create the division. He just exposd it. Once Trump is gone, it will still be as virulent.
You think the machine will just roll over if your balanced budget candidate were to win?

The argument wasn't that Trump solely created the division, I think he creates a good bit of it, it was simply discussing what actually divides this country. He runs his mouth WAY too much to say he isn't divisive. Trump just thrives on it because he is able to make himself rich off of the existence of the machine.

No I expect you leashed Rhinos to attack any candidate they tell you to. The uniparty won't be go away simply from the results of one election.

 

[CobbVol]

"The California-based Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Associations (PCFFA), the largest trade association of commercial fishermen on the West Coast, requested the dismissal in a filing with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. The request came after Judge Vince Chhabria ruled on Nov. 1 that the case could be heard in federal court despite PCFFA's argument for it to be tried in state court."

Major 'climate deception' lawsuit against Big Oil voluntarily dismissed

One of the first major lawsuits of its kind alleging oil companies have deceived the public about global warming was voluntarily dismissed after plaintiffs were hit with setbacks.

www.foxnews.com

 

[DC_Vol]

supporting Trump is also a good way to divide this country. like him or not you have to recognize that people are very polarized on him and it creates division in the country.

This is a ridiculous argument. Supporting a political candidate is a good way to divide the country?? The fact that he is viable candidate suggests the divide is already there. The politician is the symptom, not the cause.

I could assert Obama was divisive. Reagan was divisive. That’s just to name two in recent history. People supporting these candidates did not contribute to the divide. They just catered to the division that already existed.

 

[LouderVol]

This is a ridiculous argument. Supporting a political candidate is a good way to divide the country?? The fact that he is viable candidate suggests the divide is already there. The politician is the symptom, not the cause.

I could assert Obama was divisive. Reagan was divisive. That’s just to name two in recent history. People supporting these candidates did not contribute to the divide. They just catered to the division that already existed.

I would definitely argue both Obama and Trump actively contributed to the division. and I would also say a good number of their followers did so too in their support of said candidates. DC is a cult of personality, so the individuals running are very much a topic of division.

I never supported Trump so I was some combination of commie/nazi/limp dick Democrat.
I never supported Trump getting impeached so I was also a nazi/racist/Putin lover.

those are some pretty divisive opinions based purely on what side of a politician I am.

 

[hog88]

This is a ridiculous argument. Supporting a political candidate is a good way to divide the country?? The fact that he is viable candidate suggests the divide is already there. The politician is the symptom, not the cause.

I could assert Obama was divisive. Reagan was divisive. That’s just to name two in recent history. People supporting these candidates did not contribute to the divide. They just catered to the division that already existed.

He's had a few ridiculous arguments today.

 

[DC_Vol]

I would definitely argue both Obama and Trump actively contributed to the division. and I would also say a good number of their followers did so too in their support of said candidates. DC is a cult of personality, so the individuals running are very much a topic of division.

I never supported Trump so I was some combination of commie/nazi/limp dick Democrat.
I never supported Trump getting impeached so I was also a nazi/racist/Putin lover.

those are some pretty divisive opinions based purely on what side of a politician I am.

Republicans have been demonized for as long as I can remember, along with their chosen candidates. Racists, sexists, corporatist, loons.

Same with Democrats. Communists, limp ***** (just to use one of yours) and so on.

So your real issue is with politics.

Let me know when you find that unicorn who everyone can get on board with. That will likely be the antichrist.

 

[LouderVol]

Republicans have been demonized for as long as I can remember, along with their chosen candidates. Racists, sexists, corporatist, loons.

Same with Democrats. Communists, limp ***** (just to use one of yours) and so on.

So your real issue is with politics.

Let me know when you find that unicorn who everyone can get on board with. That will likely be the antichrist.

nah Obama was already president.

and of course the issue is politics. that was what started this conversation, talking about what divides this country. The real issue is that it isn't actual policy that divides us anymore, its all about personalities and being first, instead of being correct/better for the nation. us dividing along things that can easily be manipulated is part of their scheme.

 

[Orangeburst]

nah Obama was already president.

and of course the issue is politics. that was what started this conversation, talking about what divides this country. The real issue is that it isn't actual policy that divides us anymore, its all about personalities and being first, instead of being correct/better for the nation. us dividing along things that can easily be manipulated is part of their scheme.

Of course it is all superficial, things like open borders, DEI, socialism, massive regulations, and the end of carbon fuels would never cause real division.

 

[LouderVol]

Of course it is all superficial, things like open borders, DEI, socialism, massive regulations, and the end of carbon fuels would never cause real division.

why are you only posting the items that are divisive by the Dems? plenty of R measures are dividing the country too. this is part of the problem. we can't get either side to admit they have a problem because you are all too busy being 5 years old and saying the other side started it. boohoo. worry about fixing yourself before you tell someone else what to do. <--that used to be a conservative idea, but now you want to control other people just as much as they do.

 

[Orangeburst]

why are you only posting the items that are divisive by the Dems? plenty of R measures are dividing the country too. this is part of the problem. we can't get either side to admit they have a problem because you are all too busy being 5 years old and saying the other side started it. boohoo. worry about fixing yourself before you tell someone else what to do. <--that used to be a conservative idea, but now you want to control other people just as much as they do.

Conservatism by its very nature is static while the other side is progressive and moving.
You are so naive to politics it is astounding. what a dumb take.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

"Idiocracy" seems more like a documentary every year now. This country never fails to surprise me. Nearly every day I read or see something and think "No way this crap is real" and several years into this being the case, there is still a seemingly unending string of terrible ideas, terrible people, and terrible government reported by a terrible media. It is truly insane.

 

[hog88]

The only way to end or at least dial back the division is to make the federal government virtually irrelevant to our everyday lives. Return power to the states and local levels.