More leftist lunacy

#101
#101
Septic said:
The EC in and of itself isn't dumb - but the winner take all aspect is.

Let me put it to you (or anyone else) like this for anyone who may be missing my point - the number of REPUBLICAN EC votes lost and silenced in EVERY general election in California alone due to the winner take all system is more than all of the EC votes awarded by the State of Georgia.

It's like losing an additional States EC votes - every time.

Let that sink in.
Click to expand...

Let’s do away with population based representatives as well. Every state should have the same.
 
#102
#102
C-south said:
Let’s do away with population based representatives as well. Every state should have the same.
Click to expand...

nope.

States choose POTUS. They are the governing power that cedes power to the Feds
Senate is meant to represent States' interests at the Federal level
House is meant to represent the citizens' interests at the Federal level.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 865er, volfanhill, GroverCleveland and 1 other person
#104
#104
C-south said:
Let’s do away with population based representatives as well. Every state should have the same.
Click to expand...

That makes less sense.

More people should have more representation.
 
#105
#105
Septic said:
The ones a states EC isn't allotting the proportional number of electorate votes to.
Click to expand...

they are being heard (whatever heard means). their vote has the same weight as any other in the state.

if Newsom wins the governor's race in CA - that's winner take all. were the votes of people who didn't vote for him not heard?

hard to find an election that isn't winner take all
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64 and hog88
#109
#109
volinbham said:
the better solution is to roll back the power of the Federal government and return it to the states...
Click to expand...

The first step in that would be to scrap the 17th. And yes I agree, the Fed .gov should be scaled back to the point that who's sitting in the WH shouldn't matter in the daily lives of the average American.
 
  • Like
Reactions: InVOLuntary, tbwhhs, AM64 and 2 others
#110
#110
lawgator1 said:
We need to curb the disproportionate power afforded to large swaths of land but with sparse populations. In the Presidential election, the value of a voter in Montana is many times the weight of a voter in, say, North Carolina. Or New York.

The two votes per state, regardless of the disparity in population, unconstitutionally overweights the votes of rural small states and penalizes states with large urban population centers.

Every American's vote for POTUS should count EXACTLY the same.
Click to expand...

How do you figure "unconstitutionally? It's exactly how the Constitution intended for the system to work. Our Founders did not want Virginia and Pennsylvania to overwhelm the smaller states like South Carolina
 
  • Like
Reactions: tbwhhs and AM64
#115
#115
Septic said:
The EC in and of itself isn't dumb - but the winner take all aspect is.

Let me put it to you (or anyone else) like this for anyone who may be missing my point - the number of REPUBLICAN EC votes lost and silenced in EVERY general election in California alone due to the winner take all system is more than all of the EC votes awarded by the State of Georgia.

It's like losing an additional States EC votes - every time.

Let that sink in.
Click to expand...
Did not miss your point. Understand it all too well. I am good with the winner take all aspect of it because it still weights the Electoral power to the states as entities.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
#116
#116
GroverCleveland said:
Did not miss your point. Understand it all too well. I am good with the winner take all aspect of it because it still weights the Electoral power to the states as entities.
Click to expand...

If you understand, then really what I hear you saying is that you also just don't care that millions of voters don't have their wishes recognized by the EC. If you're not in the majority, your wishes don't count. It was a tough pill for Georgia republican's to swallow in 2020 when 100% of the EC votes went to Joe, despite Trump only losing the GA electorate vote by less than half a percent.

That sounds fair?
 
#119
#119
Septic said:
If you understand, then really what I hear you saying is that you also just don't care that millions of voters don't have their wishes recognized by the EC. If you're not in the majority, your wishes don't count. It was a tough pill for Georgia republican's to swallow in 2020 when 100% of the EC votes went to Joe, despite Trump only losing the GA electorate vote by less than half a percent.

That sounds fair?
Click to expand...

in every election voters who didn't vote for the winner don't have their wishes recognized. All those Abrahms voters are presumably not going to have their wishes recognized in a few days. Is that "fair"?
 
#120
#120
hog88 said:
It’s not a workable idea. Don’t waste your time.
Click to expand...

States could do it if they wish but none do. The two that divide EC votes do so by Congressional district and so you still have people who didn't vote for the winner not being heard or not having their wishes recognized.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
#121
#121
85SugarVol said:
What do you mean here? I’m not following.
Click to expand...

I assume if you have a population of 1 million and 600k vote one way and 400k the other way then one candidate would get 60% and the other 40% of the electoral votes. Yea it’s a dumb concept. Imagine the infighting if it wasn’t a round number. 😂
 
#122
#122
volinbham said:
States could do it if they wish but none do. The two that divide EC votes do so by Congressional district and so you still have people who didn't vote for the winner not being heard or not having their wishes recognized.
Click to expand...

That's the method I proposed earlier in this thread. Winner in each congressional district gets that elector and the overall winner in the state gets the 2 senator electors. Simple easy and everyone's vote matters, Septic is just mucking up simple.
 
#123
#123
C-south said:
The same ones who find the thin blue line flag “offensive” also find the American flag to be “offensive”.
Click to expand...
That is not true in every case.

Click on the link that I provided. It's not that the Thin Blue Line imagery is "offensive" to anyone, but rather that it has been co-opted by extremist elements of society, who condone bigotry.

Also, not every police officer finds the Thin Blue Line imagery flattering. It is often used to mock police culture which pressures officers to lie for one another. None other than Frank Serpico has given lectures about this.
 
#124
#124
BowlBrother85 said:
That is not true in every case.

Click on the link that I provided. It's not that the Thin Blue Line imagery is "offensive" to anyone, but rather that it has been co-opted by extremist elements of society, who condone bigotry.

Also, not every police officer finds the Thin Blue Line imagery flattering. It is often used to mock police culture which pressures officers to lie for one another. None other than Frank Serpico has given lectures about this.
Click to expand...

Well I suppose intent varies for each individual, or group, that chooses to fly a flag.
 
#125
#125
BowlBrother85 said:
That is not true in every case.

Click on the link that I provided. It's not that the Thin Blue Line imagery is "offensive" to anyone, but rather that it has been co-opted by extremist elements of society, who condone bigotry.

Also, not every police officer finds the Thin Blue Line imagery flattering. It is often used to mock police culture which pressures officers to lie for one another. None other than Frank Serpico has given lectures about this.
Click to expand...
So if the black panthers “co-opt” the BLM flag? You would be ok with it being banned as “divisive”?
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top