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#126
85SugarVol said:
So if the black panthers “co-opt” the BLM flag? You would be ok with it being banned as “divisive”?
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These people can't understand the simple concept that a symbol cannot be divisive. Only the people using the symbol can.
 
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Septic said:
The ones a states EC isn't allotting the proportional number of electorate votes to.
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What you're suggesting would, in effect, change the system to a popular vote. The number of Electoral College delegates is determined by the population of the states. Now, you want to allocate each state's electoral college delegates based on the popular vote in that state. That would, in effect, result in a switch to a national popular vote.
 
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85SugarVol said:
So if the black panthers “co-opt” the BLM flag? You would be ok with it being banned as “divisive”?
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It's divisive anyway, just as the Black Lives Matter movement is.

So, yes ... I don't think their imagery should be endorsed for display at a public school or municipality. There is no question that organization also condones bigotry. You're talking to the wrong person if you are looking for someone who likes BLM.
 
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hog88 said:
That's the method I proposed earlier in this thread. Winner in each congressional district gets that elector and the overall winner in the state gets the 2 senator electors. Simple easy and everyone's vote matters, Septic is just mucking up simple.
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It's all irrelevant since it would require changes to the Constitution to implement any changes, and there is no way that is ever going to happen.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's divisive anyway, just as the Black Lives Matter movement is.

So, yes ... I don't think their imagery should be endorsed for display at a public school or municipality. There is no question that organization also condones bigotry. You're talking to the wrong person if you are looking for someone who likes BLM.
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Ok.

And how many schools have banned the flying of the BLM flag for its divisiveness?
 
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hog88 said:
These people can't understand the simple concept that a symbol cannot be divisive. Only the people using the symbol can.
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You don't understand how a symbol can be bastardized to represent the ideology of the people who primarily use it. Not every concept is as limited as your ability to comprehend it is.
 
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Vol423 said:
It's all irrelevant since it would require changes to the Constitution to implement any changes, and there is no way that is ever going to happen.
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Nope, it wouldn't require any constitutional changes. The states are free to decide how they allot their electors.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You don't understand how a symbol can be bastardized to represent the ideology of the people who primarily use it. Not every concept is as limited as your ability to comprehend it is.
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Yes, I can see how people can co-opt a symbol but that doesn't make the symbol divisive just the people who are using it. People need to be a lot less sensitive, get their panties out of a wad and quit complaining about every little thing that "offends" them.
 
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#137
It’s more difficult to steal elections with the EC. That’s a good enough reason to retain it for the POTUS vote. Zuckerbucks only go to close statewide elections now instead of every state subdivision.

Also, there’s that separation of power concept with Congress and the House of Reps accomplishes that proportional thingy. It’s fine as is. Farming communities deserve to hold more of the power than big cities anyway. And like refs making bad calls, statistically it all evens out in the long run.
 
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Vol423 said:
That is exactly the opposite of the constitutional design of our presidential electoral system.
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Are you sure, because the number of a States electoral votes is tied directly to the number of congressional districts + two senators. The number of congressional districts is determined by the census.

So I disagree, more representation does in fact (and should) get more representation. The outlier is in how the votes are apportioned by the EC during general elections.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It’s more difficult to steal elections with the EC. That’s a good enough reason to retain it for the POTUS vote. Zuckerbucks only go to close statewide elections now instead of every state subdivision.

Also, there’s that separation of power concept with Congress and the House of Reps accomplishes that proportional thingy. It’s fine as is. Farming communities deserve to hold more of the power than big cities anyway. And like refs making bad calls, statistically it all evens out in the long run.
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The irony is that the EC was designed to prevent a 'democratic mob' of steering an election based on popularity. In reality, the EC is specifically makes it easier, in theory, to steal elections.

Our votes are suggestions.
 
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Septic said:
Are you sure, because the number of a States electoral votes is tied directly to the number of congressional districts + two senators. The number of congressional districts is determined by the census.

So I disagree, more representation does in fact (and should) get more representation. The outlier is in how the votes are apportioned by the EC during general elections.
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Essentially, what you are suggesting would mimic the House of Representatives, so every presidential election would be elected the same as the house. Great plan.
 
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85SugarVol said:
So if the black panthers “co-opt” the BLM flag? You would be ok with it being banned as “divisive”?
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They wouldn't have to... the BLM flag is as offensive as flying the ISIS flag imho. But I sure as hell don't see the ACLU trying to shut that POS down anywhere.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes, I can see how people can co-opt a symbol but that doesn't make the symbol divisive just the people who are using it. People need to be a lot less sensitive, get their panties out of a wad and quit complaining about every little thing that "offends" them.
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How the world loved the swastika - until Hitler stole it

You are dead wrong.

The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol which used to mean "well-being" or "good fortune." The Boy Scouts of America even used it. Coca-Cola used it. Today, it is the most banned and despised symbol in the world ... and I shouldn't have to explain why.
 
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VolStrom said:
Essentially, what you are suggesting would mimic the House of Representatives, so every presidential election would be elected the same as the house. Great plan.
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You're focused on a perceived outcome, and it's an outcome that clearly worries you.

How about a system where everyone's vote counts irrespective of what state they live in and one where all states matter, not just swing states?

Did you know that 71% of presidential campaign advertising dollars and more than half of all campaign appearances are spent in four states? PA, FL, NC & OH.

If everyone's vote was counted and EC'd proportionally to the state's population, there would be no more flyover states - the POTUS candidate would need to kiss the ass of the entire electorate and it would serve to moderate and address regional issues, not divide.
 
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#145
Do away with primaries too. Let an infinite number of random candidates run and as long as one hits say 30% or higher then they’re elected.
 
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Septic said:
You're focused on a perceived outcome, and it's an outcome that clearly worries you.

How about a system where everyone's vote counts irrespective of what state they live in and one where all states matter, not just swing states?

Did you know that 71% of presidential campaign advertising dollars and more than half of all campaign appearances are spent in four states? PA, FL, NC & OH.

If everyone's vote was counted and EC'd proportionally to the state's population, there would be no more flyover states - the POTUS candidate would need to kiss the ass of the entire electorate and it would serve to moderate and address regional issues, not divide.
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You dropped proportionally again.

In your proposal - how many EC votes would California have, and how many would Wyoming have?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How the world loved the swastika - until Hitler stole it

You are dead wrong.

The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol which used to mean "well-being" or "good fortune." The Boy Scouts of America even used it. Coca-Cola used it. Today, it is the most banned and despised symbol in the world ... and I shouldn't have to explain why.
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i don't find the swastika divisive, I find the neo-nazis that use it to be divisive. The symbol means nothing.

Quit being such a girl.
 
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hog88 said:
i don't find the swastika divisive, I find the neo-nazis that use it to be divisive. The symbol means nothing.

Quit being such a girl.
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You would be in the minority on that.

The swastika is universally seen as a symbol of hate, oppression, intolerance and fascism. The association between the swastika and the Nazi Party became too well-ingrained during World War II for anyone to claim that "the symbol means nothing." Do you think a Holocaust survivor would agree with you that the swastika means nothing?

You seem like someone who has too much pride to admit when he is wrong, and in this case ... you definitely are.
 
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#150
SpaceCoastVol said:
You are being logical. Most humans, especially emotionally driven leftists are not logical.
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You think the swastika has no meaning? Okay ... drive around your town/city for about a month with a swastika flag hanging out of your window and then gauge the response. If you care about your reputation, you won't do it.

You guys would argue anything. You are wrong about this.
 
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