More on CIA guys and Benghazi

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Good one GS.....nicely done

Thanks! :)

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also quite shameful that the press is sheltering maobama from this by not calling attention to it.

wonder what the press would be doing if this was W and the election was looming?

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Americans died and Obama lied.

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Completely agree. Inexcusable.

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You think Obama wants to do evil to the country and the military?

I do!

Slain SEAL's father to Obama: 'Better to die the death of a hero than it is to live the life of a coward' [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller

In an appearance on Fox News Channel’s “Geraldo at Large” Sunday night, Charles Woods, father of slain Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods, said President Barack Obama did not do all he could to save the four Americans who were killed in a terrorist raid on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

Obama should have reacted sooner, he said, because the consulate was American soil.

“I was contacted by military personnel yesterday, who told me an interesting fact. And that is any consulate anywhere in the world is American soil,” Woods said. “Any attack on an American consulate is an attack on American soil. There were American citizens that were attacked for seven hours on American soil a couple thousand miles away from Washington, D.C.”

“My question of the president would be this: Your Honor, I respect your office as president. But if this attack on American citizens, on American soil, happened 2,000 miles away from Washington, D.C. — say in Los Angeles or in Seattle — would you have waited seven hours before you sent the first airplane? Would you have waited seven hours until the attack was over? Would you have waited a couple of days until you had all of the videos and all the information before you responded in a responsible military way?”

Host Geraldo Rivera pressed Woods on his argument and suggested that he was “angry” at the loss of his son. That wasn’t the case, Woods explained...

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MAY 16, 2008 : (REPORT : OBAMA MEETING WITH HEZBOLLAH’s IMAM HASSAN QAZWINI {see IRAN}) Barack Obama claims he’s against HAMAS and Hezbollah. So why is he meeting with one of Hezbollah’s most important imams and agents in America, Imam Hassan Qazwini? And why is this open anti-Semite and supporter of Israel’s annihilation getting to discuss “the Arab-Israeli conflict” in a private one-on-one meeting with Obama? What was said? I think we can do the math.

I’ve written about Qazwini and his mosque for almost a decade. He is tight with the Government of Iran, and he is an agent of the Iranian government, spreading its propaganda. He was sent to the U.S. by Iran to help radicalize his mosque, the Islamic Center of America, which—at the time—was becoming moderate with women not covering their hair and mixing with men. All that has changed, under Qazwini.

Qazwini is very open about his support for Palestinian homcide bombings, HAMAS, and Hezbollah.
(Excerpt) Read more at debbieschlussel.com ...——— “The Company He Keeps: Obama Hangs With Hezbollah’s Iranian Agent Imam,” BY Debbie Schlussel , debbieschlussel.com, May 16, 2008

Barack Hussein Obama is a liar and a charlatan.

Anyone who believes one word out of his mouth is an utter fool.
 
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Of course you do.

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And by no means am I alone!

Roger L. Simon » Beyond Impeachment: Obama Treasonous over Benghazi » Print

..... but our Canadian friends [3] at least have some semblance of honor left, writing:

It is undoubtedly worse than Obama simply turned his back on cornered American citizens in a foreign land, knowing undoubtedly they would die. But that Barack did so without any compelling reason—except political—
is beyond evil.

Only a moral monster would have made that decision when it was within his powers to possibly save them with almost no effort of his own.
 
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as denied?
3. Why were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi if no threat was indicated?
4. What happened to the two warehouses?
5. Why weren't the two Carriers in the AOR even in a 'ready stance' when Carriers are always in a 'ready stance' when on deployment?[/QUOTE]

2. My guess is that he thought the drone was going to launch a hellfire at the target when he painted it, otherwise he wouldn't have turned on his laser sight.

6. How many SAMs are on the loose, including the 20,000 shoulder fired ones that once belonged to Ghadaffi?

7. Was this treason onf Barack Obama's part?

Roger L. Simon » Beyond Impeachment: Obama Treasonous over Benghazi » Print

Our Constitution defines it this way: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

Aid and comfort to the enemy — what is that?

When you ascribe an action to the protest of a video when it is actuality a planned terror attack by Ansar al-Shariah, an established offshoot of al-Qaeda (if that’s not your “enemy,” then who) — and you knew that all along, you watched it live without doing anything, and then you told those who wanted to help to “stand down”? Meanwhile, our government may have been conspiring to arm another offshoot of al-Qaeda in Syria.

How much more treasonous can you get? Benedict Arnold was a piker.
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But is there more than that? Is the treason yet greater? Were Obama and others covering up more than their ineptitude? Just what was Ambassador Stevens doing in Benghazi that day? Why had he left the Libyan capital to meet with the Turkish ambassador on the anniversary of September 11?

Rumors abound. According to Admiral Lyons writing in the Washington Times [4],

…one of Stevens’ main missions in Libya was to facilitate the transfer of much of Gadhafi’s military equipment, including the deadly SA-7 – portable SAMs – to Islamists and other al Qaeda-affiliated groups fighting the Assad Regime in Syria. In an excellent article, Aaron Klein [5] states that Stevens routinely used our Benghazi consulate (mission) to coordinate the Turkish, Saudi Arabian and Qatari governments’ support for insurgencies throughout the Middle East. Further, according to Egyptian security sources, Stevens played a “central role in recruiting Islamic jihadists to fight the Assad Regime in Syria.”

Lyons adds, citing a Clare Lopez [6] article at RadicalIslam.org,

…that there were two large warehouse-type buildings associated with our Benghazi mission. During the terrorist attack, the warehouses were probably looted. We do not know what was there and if it was being administrated by our two former Navy SEALs and the CIA operatives who were in Benghazi. Nonetheless, the equipment was going to hardline jihadis.

Did Obama withhold Cross-Border Authority?


Please help me. I am trying as hard as I can to get out the word about cross-border authority. I just can't believe reporters don't know enough to ask the right questions! It's infuriating. Libya, as far as standing down the rescue, is 100% Obama's show, and nobody else's. Only he can grant CBA, not Biden, not Panetta, not Dempsey, not Hillary, and certainly not Ham in Germany.

The entire episode is explained perfectly inside the context of not granting CBA. The CIA QRF in Tripoli? No problem, send them on the local Tripoli station chief's say-so. He merely informs up COC that he has done so. CCs them so to speak. "This is what I am doing." Ditto if Predators were in country, no problem using them.

But the big rescue air armada streaming toward Libya right away after the alarm got to Stuttgart and Africom? That has to stop. I believe at the 5pm meeting with Panetta and Biden in the Oval Office, he said, "No outside military intervention," on the basis that the last report was the "lull" from the consulate, at about 1030 p.m. in Benghazi, when the attack appeared to be over and the situation stabilizing.

(As a soft exception, Obama may have authorized sending an unarmed Predator from outside of Libya, but I am thinking the two Predators were already in-country, and hence available to use within “no CBA granted” rules.)

"No outside military intervention" equals "no cross-border authority" and that constitutes "standing orders" until POTUS changes them. Nobody else can “un-decide” the POTUS decree. The rescue air-armada of C-17s, C-130s and SOF helos like MH-47 Chinooks and Pavehawks cannot proceed directly to Libya without CBA being granted, so instead they are all staged at Sigonella, Sicily.

USN ships are in position to "lilypad" helos for long over-water flights. Airborne tankers are coming into position. SOF forces in Sigonella are going over their gear for different contingencies. Fuming all night as officers keep checking in with operational commanders. "Hold in place, no rescue yet. We can't find the President, it sounds like," say the colonels to the majors and captains. 100s of military must know about this. I keep waiting for the conclusive whistle-blowers to come forward BEFORE the election. After won't matter, it will be for the historians.

Panetta is falling on his sword for Obama with his absurd-on-its-face, "The military doesn't do risky things" defense of no rescue. Panetta is destroying his future reputation entirely, to save Obama. The question is why? Loyalty?

Petreaus was probably "used" in some way early, about the supposed CIA intel link to the Mohammed video, and now he feels burned. So he conclusively said via his PAO, "The stand-down order did not come from CIA." Well, what is higher than CIA? Only White House. Obama, nobody else. Petreaus is naming Obama without naming him.

Now, as far as Obama / Huma Abedin / Valerie Jarrett etc actually wanting Ambassador Stevens dead, to terminate the end of the very dirty Libyan arms to Syrian AQ programs, I can't speculate. Obama is not competent enough I'm thinking.

But for sure, the ambassador going to unsecure Benghazi on 9-11 of all days stinks to me of a setup. You can bet Stevens would have told the Turks, "No, 9-11 is not a good day for us," and stayed in Tripoli behind many high and thick walls. For him to go to dangerous Benghazi on 9-11 means the Turks totally insisted, but why would they care about the meeting date, unless they were in on a “hit” as the Judas goat?

Alternatively, ordering Stevens to meet the Turks in Benghazi on 9-11 may have come from down OUR chain of command. Stevens seems to have been wearing two hats as ambassador and CIA arms shipper. Moving between more-secure Tripoli, the Benghazi "consulate," and the CIA "annex." So orders to him might come down the State or the CIA commo channels, or both. I am unclear on his job title and true position, but either the CIA or State sends him final instructions. How this works with “dual-hatted” ambassadors, I haven’t a clue.

But Stevens meeting the Turks at the unsecure Benghazi "consulate" on 9-11 stinks to me of a deliberate setup. The Turks left the meeting and probably flashed their headlights to the attack team commanders lurking in shadows. A coded text, a word on a phone, meaning, "The ambassador is there, with minimal security: proceed with the attack plan."

But that is all pure speculation. What I know FOR SURE is that the big "stand down order" issue revolves around granting or withholding cross-border authority.

Every SOF officer and ops officer all the way up has this drummed into his head. We can make Obama respond to this question, even if reporters must shout it at him while he's doing storm cleanup photo ops. If the reporters KNOW enough to ask the quesion. That's why I am shouting all over the internet about CBA.

I can't believe cross-border authority permission is not one of the top discussion points about Benghazi.

That, and who "set him up" by sending him to Beghazi to meet the Turks on 9-11, with them leaving after dark.

And of course, down the road, was the military rescue-in-progress turned back because Obama actually wanted to make sure the consulate was wiped out? Is that why the spooks at the annex were refused permission to travel the under one mile to intervene? That would connect it all together, but for now, the best focus is on Obama either granting or withholding cross-border authority for the rescue.

Feel free to repost these musings of a long-ago SOF officer anywhere you please.

Travis McGee (Enemies Foreign and Domestic Web Site)
 
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How did I miss this comment?

You are an idiot.

How'd you miss a chance to post another insult. Oh yeah, you didn't.

I can't speak for the Marines, because I was in the Army. All soldiers strive to bring out the wounded and the dead, but some are left behind in battle. Soldiers are expendable; that's just the way it is.

At one time I was detached to a post where my written orders in case of attack was titled "Suicide Squad." That probably would have been a squad of one, because I was the only person with those orders. While the rest of the outfit retreated with classified equipment, my orders were to stay behind and defend five miles of road. Those orders were signed by the battalion commander, a Lt. Colonel. So after having lived with those orders silently, I now get to see you call me an idiot, because I very personally know a soldier's lot for what it is. Hearing that "no man left behind" line in a Hollywood movie might make you think how great we all are. I can't help remembering the way things really are. I knew I would be left behind. Those were my orders.

Now, since you are an inveterate @-hole, and all you know is acting like an @-hole, I'm going to be real surprised when that's what you do in your next post.
 
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How'd you miss a chance to post another insult. Oh yeah, you didn't.

I can't speak for the Marines, because I was in the Army. All soldiers strive to bring out the wounded and the dead, but some are left behind in battle. Soldiers are expendable; that's just the way it is.

At one time I was detached to a post where my written orders in case of attack was titled "Suicide Squad."

You can stop right there. You are full of ****.
 
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You can stop right there. You are full of ****.

I stopped here, "Now, since you are an inveterate @-hole, and all you know is acting like an @-hole, I'm going to be real surprised when that's what you do in your next post."
 
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Travis McGee is a fictional character in John McDonald's novels.

There is more than one Travis McGee and the one I quoted is very articulate on many matters.






How'd you miss a chance to post another insult. Oh yeah, you didn't.

I can't speak for the Marines, because I was in the Army. All soldiers strive to bring out the wounded and the dead, but some are left behind in battle. Soldiers are expendable; that's just the way it is.

At one time I was detached to a post where my written orders in case of attack was titled "Suicide Squad." That probably would have been a squad of one, because I was the only person with those orders. While the rest of the outfit retreated with classified equipment, my orders were to stay behind and guard five miles of road. Those orders were signed by the battalion commander, a Lt. Colonel. So after having lived with those orders silently, I now get to see you call me an idiot, because I very personally know a soldier's lot for what it is. Hearing that "no man left behind" line in a Hollywood movie might make you think how great we all are. I can't help remembering the way things really are. I knew I would be left behind. Those were my orders.

Now, since you are an inveterate @-hole, and all you know is acting like an @-hole, I'm going to be real surprised when that's what you do in your next post.

Some people are more expendable than others and I can imagine you would be one of the most expendable.

You are so FOS it's hard to comprehend, I doubt you ever served in the Cub Scouts, much less the US Army!

You are the epitome of an inveterate @-hole.





Oh really? Your ignorance never ceases.

It just grows like a chia doll.

CIA Veteran Scheuer: Benghazi ?Worse Than Watergate?

The Obama administration’s reluctance to talk about what happened in Benghazi, Libya is worse than Watergate, counterterrorism expert Michael Scheuer told Newsmax TV, and Americans will not learn what happened because President Barack Obama wants to protect his chances at being re-elected.


Scheuer, a 20-plus year CIA veteran who headed the Osama bin Laden tracking unit in the late 1990s and as special adviser to the unit’s chief from 2001 to 2004, said the handling of the Benghazi attack was not a matter of incompetence.


Watch the exclusive interview here.


“It’s hard to claim incompetence when you have the information in a real-time manner as the White House did,” he said. “They were watching or listening to the attack on our people there in Benghazi for about seven hours. This, clearly, is a case of deciding not to help those people and now trying, in the waning days of the election campaign, to prevent Americans from learning what a cowardly and arrogant policy Obama picked in order to protect his election chances.”




Under Article III, Section 3, of the Constitution:

Any person who levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them Aid and Comfort has committed treason within the meaning of the Constitution. The term aid and comfort refers to any act that manifests a betrayal of allegiance to the United States, such as furnishing enemies with arms, troops, transportation, shelter, or classified information. If a subversive act has any tendency to weaken the power of the United States to attack or resist its enemies, aid and comfort has been given.
 
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How'd you miss a chance to post another insult. Oh yeah, you didn't.

I can't speak for the Marines, because I was in the Army. All soldiers strive to bring out the wounded and the dead, but some are left behind in battle. Soldiers are expendable; that's just the way it is.

At one time I was detached to a post where my written orders in case of attack was titled "Suicide Squad." That probably would have been a squad of one, because I was the only person with those orders. While the rest of the outfit retreated with classified equipment, my orders were to stay behind and guard five miles of road. Those orders were signed by the battalion commander, a Lt. Colonel. So after having lived with those orders silently, I now get to see you call me an idiot, because I very personally know a soldier's lot for what it is. Hearing that "no man left behind" line in a Hollywood movie might make you think how great we all are. I can't help remembering the way things really are. I knew I would be left behind. Those were my orders.

Now, since you are an inveterate @-hole, and all you know is acting like an @-hole, I'm going to be real surprised when that's what you do in your next post.

Guard 5 miles of road you say? You couldn't guard five feet of couch with your big fat ass laying on it
 
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At one time I was detached to a post where my written orders in case of attack was titled "Suicide Squad." That probably would have been a squad of one, because I was the only person with those orders. While the rest of the outfit retreated with classified equipment, my orders were to stay behind and defend five miles of road.

Hahahaha. Post of the year. This is priceless.

I think the joke was on you.
 
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Hahahaha. Post of the year. This is priceless.

I think the joke was on you.

Can't say I blame you for thinking that, because it was the first thing that ran through my mind too, "this has got to be a effing joke." Reality set in, and I realized that the joke was on me, but not the way you're thinking. Those orders were issued before I got there for the guy who was there before me, and they were there for the next guy when I left. It was a different place and a different time. We called America "the world" and talked about "back in the world." Guys who spent their tour of duty in a place like Italy or even Iraq could never begin to understand. That's why a lot of veterans never talk about it. There is no point, really. This is the first time I've ever mentioned those orders to anybody; you saw what happened. I knew guys with missions far worse than mine. I was lucky enough and not complaining, but when I see that "no man left behind" line in a movie, it's a freaking joke to me. People have no idea. There is out there, and then there is out there, where there is very little support.
 
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Can't say I blame you for thinking that, because it was the first thing that ran through my mind too, "this has got to be a effing joke." Reality set in, and I realized that the joke was on me, but not the way you're thinking. Those orders were issued before I got there for the guy who was there before me, and they were there for the next guy when I left. It was a different place and a different time. We called America "the world" and talked about "back in the world." Guys who spent their tour of duty in a place like Italy or even Iraq could never begin to understand. That's why a lot of veterans never talk about it. There is no point, really. This is the first time I've ever mentioned those orders to anybody; you saw what happened. I knew guys with missions far worse than mine. I was lucky enough and not complaining, but when I see that "no man left behind" line in a movie, it's a freaking joke to me. People have no idea. There is out there, and then there is out there, where there is very little support.

Where did you serve?

What was your rank?

What was your specialty code?

Why do you keep making excuses for our chicken Ch!t in Chief?
 
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How'd you miss a chance to post another insult. Oh yeah, you didn't.

I can't speak for the Marines, because I was in the Army. All soldiers strive to bring out the wounded and the dead, but some are left behind in battle. Soldiers are expendable; that's just the way it is.

At one time I was detached to a post where my written orders in case of attack was titled "Suicide Squad." That probably would have been a squad of one, because I was the only person with those orders. While the rest of the outfit retreated with classified equipment, my orders were to stay behind and defend five miles of road. Those orders were signed by the battalion commander, a Lt. Colonel. So after having lived with those orders silently, I now get to see you call me an idiot, because I very personally know a soldier's lot for what it is. Hearing that "no man left behind" line in a Hollywood movie might make you think how great we all are. I can't help remembering the way things really are. I knew I would be left behind. Those were my orders.

Now, since you are an inveterate @-hole, and all you know is acting like an @-hole, I'm going to be real surprised when that's what you do in your next post.

Believe none of this. What conflict, what brigade, what was your MOS?
 
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Believe none of this. What conflict, what brigade, what was your MOS?

No reason to even ask these questions, the story itself was one of the more outlandish things I have ever heard. Vol Main will simply turn to Google to find the answers to the questions you have asked.

Of course, it needs go no further than a LTC turning directly to an enlisted guy and saying, "You are my suicide guy...guard these five miles ."

Effin' ridiculous; sounds like a bunch of the bull**** that Tim O'Brien peddles in his "authentic memoirs" of Vietnam.
 
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No reason to even ask these questions, the story itself was one of the more outlandish things I have ever heard. Vol Main will simply turn to Google to find the answers to the questions you have asked.

Of course, it needs go no further than a LTC turning directly to an enlisted guy and saying, "You are my suicide guy...guard these five miles ."

Effin' ridiculous; sounds like a bunch of the bull**** that Tim O'Brien peddles in his "authentic memoirs" of Vietnam.

I agree total BS. I was relly hoping he would come back with his brigade.
 

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