Most Feared New SEC Coach

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It's Sumlin, and it's really not close. Freeze and Muschamp would be higher than Jones at the moment.
 
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bamacheats said:
Sumlin
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Lose roger the dodger at QB and they lost 5-6 games last year...remember the late INT clinched the bama game. I think he is good, and I know he has coached up some good QB play at Huston, but anyone have a sence of how he's recruiting and wheather his targets are SEC worthy in terms of size AND speed?
 
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CroKev said:
Sumlin is getting it done but according to ESPN's recent rankings of talent, A&M is hurting on defense this year. I just see them being a middle-tier team at best without Manziel (btw, did you hear he left the Manning camp a day early?). I probably could put Sumlin a spot higher due to their current recruiting (which is a no-brainer in Texas) but you'll have to convince me a little harder...
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Recently we had a Texas A&M grad and a resident of Bryan/College Station as a houseguest. She said a lot about Manziel was being covered up.
 
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Vols4us said:
Posters picking Sumlin will be surprised at what happens with the Aggies starting this season. He benefited from his presecessor stocking the talent and getting a hot, unconventional QB. With the defense being inexperienced and part of the O-line in the NFL, don't see a repeat happening. Johnny Football may be Johnny Nerfball this next season. He has proven to be very foolish. Add in SEC DC's knowing what to expect.

Squarely in the Jones camp. This is war, not a one year battle.
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stuff like this drives me nuts.

i guess everyone saw 11-2 and a heisman trophy heading texas a&m's way last season.

how many saw 9-4 coming at vanderbilt?

perhaps, you looked at florida before the start of 2012 and thought....bcs bowl. the same people who aren't impressed by that coaching job are the same people who were wondering about tearing down goalposts in the third week of september.

sumlin, franklin, and muschamp exceeded expectations big time in 2012.

and again i ask, does manziel win the heisman trophy if kevin sumlin is not his coach?
 
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fade route said:
If recruiting well sparks fear in the rest of the league, then half the league is feared by the other half. Not sure I understand the OP's point.
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Alright, let’s try this again.

I see the following reasons for putting Jones on top of the list (not just recruiting, Fade): his record as a HC elsewhere, the staff he has put in place during that timeframe, the fact that he’s recruiting the lights out for this class (not to mention 2015 and 2016!), the enthusiasm he has rebuilt among Vol fans, etc. Overall, his past and the momentum he is building for the future despite our program’s recent past are undeniable.

(2) Freeze’s records at Lambuth and Arkansas State reveal that he is a clear winner. His recruiting last year and this year at a place like Oxford is very impressive. Ole Miss got a steal when they got this guy.

(3) Muschamp hasn’t been a HC before UF but the turnaround he engineered last year after that first season is impressive. UF will always be able to recruit well no matter who is the coach as long as either/both FSU and Miami are struggling at all. I’d of put Muschamp higher if he wasn’t such a psycho. I think he’s one second away half the time from pulling a Woody Hayes on another team’s player or, more likely, one of his own.

(4) Sumlin is no doubt a stud. What he did at Houston (for the most part) was impressive before the results he garnered at A&M. I think he’s benefitting from the Longhorn’s current mediocrity and let’s face it, recruiting in Texas involves a LOT of low hanging fruit (of their current 14 recruits, 13 are from Texas).

(5) Bielema has the most impressive HC record to date for sure. His 7 seasons at Wisconsin were impressive capped off with appearances in the last 3 Rose Bowls (though they lost every one of them). Unlike Jones, he hasn’t seen a lot of success on the recruiting trail yet in his first season (currently 52nd on Rivals).

(6) Malzahn did well in his first season at Arkansas State following Freeze but hard to tell how much of that he can take credit for. We all know that he was the mastermind of Auburn’s offense before but, again, how much credit should an OC get with a QB like Newton. Auburn is currently 26th in recruiting and that will undoubtedly rise with all the guys they are in on. When it’s all said and done, Malzahn is a big question mark for me.

(7) Franklin probably should be ranked higher. He’s only been a HC for 2 years but what a great job he’s done at such an inferior program. Yes, they had one of the easiest SEC schedules last year but just the fact that Vandy beats any SEC program, is impressive. His recruiting is alright but he’s getting his lunch handed to him by the instate rival when it comes to recruiting. Does anyone in the SEC fear Franklin in the long-term (especially since he’ll bolt the first time a real opportunity comes along)?

(8) Stoops has not been a HC anywhere yet but his recruiting for UK has certainly been impressive. Granted, it’s even more impressive than CBJ when you consider the Wildcats lack of a FB tradition, lack of facilities, etc. Stoops is a sleeper and could surprise a lot of people in the next 3 or 4 years.

(9) Mullen is just a great coach and the turnaround at MSU bears that. With Freeze at Ole Miss though, I think that hurts his recruiting a great deal and I don’t think anyone expects MSU to rise to the top tier of the SEC West in the next few years (I’m not sure Saban or anyone else could have done as good a job at Miss. St. as Mullen though).

(10) Pinkel is a really good coach, to which his record at Toledo and Mizzou attest. However, he hasn’t been able to recruit well enough to be competitive in the SEC (currently 46th -2014; 41st – 2013; 31st – 2012; 48th – 2011; etc.).

Summary: When you look at Jones’ record as a HC (did you guys see that scoring to yards ratio a week or so ago?) and then look at what he has been able to do right out of the starting block at UT, I don’t see any other coach on the list matching that – though Freeze, Muschamp, and Sumlin come close. That’s it; I’m outta here.
 
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BigOrangeLoyalist said:
A&M will not be the team they were last year. They lost some good defensive talent, and people will be prepared for Manziel. 9-3 at best. Regardless,
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I think everybody was ready for Manziel after the first couple of games but it didn't matter. The guy is like a flea out there bouncing around and making things happen. Manziel will still get his yards but I think A&M is going to give up a LOT more yards on Defense this coming year.
 
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long term, a&m will be a big deal while sumlin is there.

in 2013, i am starting to worry about johnny football being able to handle being johnny football.

i am not sure his head will be screwed on straight this season.
 
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99gator said:
stuff like this drives me nuts.

i guess everyone saw 11-2 and a heisman trophy heading texas a&m's way last season.

how many saw 9-4 coming at vanderbilt?

perhaps, you looked at florida before the start of 2012 and thought....bcs bowl.

sumlin, franklin, and muschamp exceeded expectations big time in 2012.

and again i ask, does manziel win the heisman trophy is kevin sumlin is not his coach?
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See mike shula who won 10 games the year before he got the ax...or gene chizic who was fired 2 years removed from a title AND having a heisman winning qb. It happens...just sayin. At any rate, tam lost alot of guys from last years team so a repeat of last years success will be hard for them. Btw gator,I never realized why more people didnt adopt muschamps second half D against manziel...spy him everywhere he goes! that was the best half any d played against the kid all year!
 
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Bluetic said:
See mike shula who won 10 games the year before he got the ax...or gene chizic who was fired 2 years removed from a title AND having a heisman winning qb. It happens...just sayin. At any rate, tam lost alot of guys from last years team so a repeat of last years success will be hard for them. Btw gator,I never realized why more people didnt adopt muschamps second half D against manziel...spy him everywhere he goes! that was the best half any d played against the kid all year!
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some teams didn't have the personnel.

i have said this earlier and several have disagreed with me, but i still say the stats bear it out.

in the lsu, bama, and florida games, the defenses for those teams got better as the game went along. it took a while to get used to the speed that a&m played at and just how good manziel is. when those teams settled down and got used to the pace, they played better.

i still think people underestimate how much playing @lsu the week before mattered in that a&m game.

alabama had a weird schedule. it was pretty weak, but the best two teams by far were played back to back.
 
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CroKev said:
Alright, let’s try this again.

I see the following reasons for putting Jones on top of the list (not just recruiting, Fade): his record as a HC elsewhere,
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This doesn't concern other SEC coaches nearly as much as what Sumlin, Freeze, et al have done in the SEC. Solid record in the Big East, or an 11-2 record in the first year of SEC play? Pretty easy choice.

the staff he has put in place during that timeframe
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Good staff. A&M, Ole Miss, Florida, Auburn, et al all have good staffs as well. Hard to tell how good any staff is until they actually coach a game.

the fact that he’s recruiting the lights out for this class (not to mention 2015 and 2016!)
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This is Jones strongest selling point. But Sumlin and Freeze are also recruiting well. And Jones doesn't have the built-in advantage of recruiting Texas or Florida like Sumlin and Muschamp.

the enthusiasm he has rebuilt among Vol fans, etc.
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This doesn't concern any rival coach, except maybe Franklin since he shares the state.

Overall, his past and the momentum he is building for the future despite our program’s recent past are undeniable.
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I suppose it can't be denied, since there is no concrete proof for or against it.

Summary: When you look at Jones’ record as a HC (did you guys see that scoring to yards ratio a week or so ago?) and then look at what he has been able to do right out of the starting block at UT, I don’t see any other coach on the list matching that – though Freeze, Muschamp, and Sumlin come close. That’s it; I’m outta here.
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Sumlin was one score or one stop against Florida from playing in the SECCG for a spot in the BCSNCG. That is what is unmatched by the rest of the list of new coaches.
 
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Pretty sure Saban is not afraid, scared, or worried about anyone he is clearly head and shoulders better then everyone else
 
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CroKev said:
Sumlin is getting it done but according to ESPN's recent rankings of talent, A&M is hurting on defense this year. I just see them being a middle-tier team at best without Manziel (btw, did you hear he left the Manning camp a day early?). I probably could put Sumlin a spot higher due to their current recruiting (which is a no-brainer in Texas) but you'll have to convince me a little harder...
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He also plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge today

This guy is a clown and can't handle the spotlight. Regardless, I'm glad we're playing Auburn instead of A&M
 
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bamawriter said:
Great recruiting so far. And last year's 7-6 record was incredibly impressive given where Ole Miss was when he took over.
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Decent points but for me, he's gonna have to do much more for anybody to "fear" him. (I just chuckled to myself at the idea of fearing Ole Miss). He has been a winner everywhere he's been and I think you give him a lot of credit for that...he knows what he's doing. However, of those 7 wins, 3 were vs Central Arkansas, UTEP and Tulane... plus he lost to vaginabilt at home. We'll know more after this year, obviously, but for now I'll take Sumlin, Bielema, Jones and Mahlzan... in that order until proven otherwise.
 
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CroKev said:
Alright, let’s try this again.

I see the following reasons for putting Jones on top of the list (not just recruiting, Fade): his record as a HC elsewhere, the staff he has put in place during that timeframe, the fact that he’s recruiting the lights out for this class (not to mention 2015 and 2016!), the enthusiasm he has rebuilt among Vol fans, etc. Overall, his past and the momentum he is building for the future despite our program’s recent past are undeniable.

Summary: When you look at Jones’ record as a HC (did you guys see that scoring to yards ratio a week or so ago?) and then look at what he has been able to do right out of the starting block at UT, I don’t see any other coach on the list matching that – though Freeze, Muschamp, and Sumlin come close. That’s it; I’m outta here.
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Disagree....Sumlin had success at Houston, has an 11-win season in the SEC under his belt, has his fan base as jacked if not moreso than UT's, and is recruiting well in his huge back yard.

Muschamp is recruiting lights out also, and his improvement from Year 1 to Year 2 would have him at the top of the list if he coached somewhere other than Florida.

I agree with those who think TAMU will take a step back this season due to defensive losses and Manziel potentially not handling the spotlight. But UT lost all of its offensive firepower, and until UT finds the right QB, defenses will load up on the run. I'd be shocked to see UT have the same Year 1 success under Jones that TAMU had under Sumlin.

The key to UT's resurgence is plucking the Georgia HS studs away from Mark Richt, and winning their share of battles closer to home, which it appears they're doing with kids like Hurd.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Disagree....Sumlin had success at Houston, has an 11-win season in the SEC under his belt, has his fan base as jacked if not moreso than UT's, and is recruiting well in his huge back yard.

Muschamp is recruiting lights out also, and his improvement from Year 1 to Year 2 would have him at the top of the list if he coached somewhere other than Florida.

I agree with those who think TAMU will take a step back this season due to defensive losses and Manziel potentially not handling the spotlight. But UT lost all of its offensive firepower, and until UT finds the right QB, defenses will load up on the run. I'd be shocked to see UT have the same Year 1 success under Jones that TAMU had under Sumlin.

The key to UT's resurgence is plucking the Georgia HS studs away from Mark Richt, and winning their share of battles closer to home, which it appears they're doing with kids like Hurd.
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I think Sumlin is a helluva good coach. Again, good track record of success. But you gotta admit he caught lightning in a bottle with a once in a generation-type talent in a redshirt QB that pretty much came out of nowhere.... not exactly a conventional way to get to 11-2.
 
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KBVol said:
I think Sumlin is a helluva good coach. Again, good track record of success. But you gotta admit he caught lightning in a bottle with a once in a generation-type talent in a redshirt QB that pretty much came out of nowhere.... not exactly a conventional way to get to 11-2.
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If that's your argument, then Muschamp should get more credit for winning 11 games with one of the nation's worst offenses.
 
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