Most Overrated coach?

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05_never_again said:
He certainly isn't overrated from the perspective of his own fans or SEC people. Auburn fans have been really ambivalent about him ever since his first season.

When they play well, they can win national titles. When they play poorly, they play like a team that has to grind to make a bowl game. His teams just aren't very consistent. He's also 100% dependent upon having a dynamic, game breaking QB in order to have a great season. Sure, it helps, but the two teams in the CFP final this year don't have dynamic QBs.

His worst loss this year, but not the loss people are really going to remember, was LSU. It ultimately ended up not mattering (since they beat Georgia and Alabama) but it was a classic Gus loss that highlighted their inconsistency.
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I personally believe the inconsistency comes from running a spread offense. Look at the difference with us without Dobbs.
 
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So guess I'm a bit of a contrarian here. I think Michigan is the most overrated job in the country right now. Simlar to Notre Dame, it has Top 10 expectations, but it's probably not even "Top 30" in local / regional recruiting prospects. Harbaugh is 28-11 there, which IMO, is exceeding expectations, albeit this season was a big disappointment. Still, if you judge all coaches by their worst seasons, even Nick Saban looks like a bum.
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I agree with this. As Tennessee fans we know that just having the biggest stadium or nicest facilities is no longer the advantage it used to be. I can remember when Tennessee had the only indoor practice facility in the SEC, now everyone has one. While it is easy to make a Tennessee/Michigan comparison the one glaring difference that I do not see changing anytime soon is in state talent. Tennessee keeps trending up in this category and now consistently is in the top 10 blue chip recruiting states even ranking above Alabama. Here is some evidence to back up that claim: College football recruiting: Ranking 50 states by blue-chip percentage - SBNation.com.
Even though Michigan is 14th on that same list it follows a trend for awhile where Michigan is bleeding talent. Part of it is people leaving the state looking for jobs, mainly here in the sun belt where industry is booming and poor inter-city conditions in cities like Detroit where a young black kid has no good options. As long as Ohio State and now Penn State keep sucking up all the oxygen in the rest of the Big 10 footprint it is hard to see Michigan being back. They might get a fluke good season in every now and then but the conditions are wrong for them to return to being a perennial power.
 
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MountainDooley said:
I personally believe the inconsistency comes from running a spread offense. Look at the difference with us without Dobbs.
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I'm not sure the inconsistency is from the spread itself. Urban for example has run spread offenses and won multiple national titles with 3 different QBs, with the 3rd national title coming with a 3rd string QB. He won that first title with Chris Leak, who not only wasn't a great QB but didn't fit well in a spread. It simply became supercharged with Tebow took over. Clemson reached the CFP again this year despite losing Deshaun Watson.

Gus's offense is certainly too dependent on having an outstanding (not just a good) QB. Look at someone like Saban - he's had nothing but game manager QBs the whole time he's been at Alabama and they either win or almost win national titles every year. It's a flaw in Gus's coaching. The style of spread he runs is too dependent on the QB making huge, dynamic plays; if he doesn't have a QB that can consistently do that, he struggles.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I find it odd that the media acts like Tennessee is a terrible job (in spite of being near some of the best recruiting grounds in the nation), while Michigan is a great one (in spite of having terrible state / regional recruiting)
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I've always thought this too. The only thing I can figure is that the program still has an aura around it that Tennessee doesn't because they've been playing it for so long (first game was in 1879), have the most all-time wins, etc., and because of the Ten Year War between Schembechler and Hayes. That lasted from 1969 to 1978, and a lot of the old brass covering the sport today came of age during that era. The center of the college football universe in those days was not the southeast.

The Michigan job, in contemporary times, I agree is really no better than Tennessee. Both programs have been fairly irrelevant over the last decade. Tennessee actually has a more recent national title; Michigan actually only has 1/2 a national title since 1950. Both schools have to do a lot of out-of-state recruiting.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Was it really a disappointment? I mean they only returned 5 starters from last years team. Yes on the face of it, going 8-4 seems bad, but when all four of those losses are to teams who are going to finish in the top 10-12, it’s not as bad as it seems. Now if they don’t compete for a playoff spot next year, then he deserves a ton of criticism. However given the fact that they return 37 players off their two-deep, I think they’ll be just fine.
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kind of sounds like the same exact excuses we were making for Butch a couple of years ago....
 
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In no particular order:

Jim Harbaugh (just hasn't produced compared to salary yet)
Dan Mullen (don't get me started)
Kirk Ferentz (does just enough to keep rolling)
Bill Snyder (he's a crafty old coach that pulls out a big win from time to time)
Rick Stockstill (barely above a .500 record after 12 years at MTSU)
Kliff Kingsbury (Coach Bro is certainly on the hot seat if he can't figure out how to win big games)
 
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Grand Vol said:
In no particular order:

Jim Harbaugh (just hasn't produced compared to salary yet)
Dan Mullen (don't get me started)
Kirk Ferentz (does just enough to keep rolling)
Bill Snyder (he's a crafty old coach that pulls out a big win from time to time)
Rick Stockstill (barely above a .500 record after 12 years at MTSU)
Kliff Kingsbury (Coach Bro is certainly on the hot seat if he can't figure out how to win big games)
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You think Snyder is overrated? He's one of the biggest "do more with less" guys out there. Nobody wants to go to Manhattan, KS. Every team is largely a new crop of JUCO transfers. What he's done there, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, is pretty impressive. He's even won a couple of Big 12 titles.
 
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As an Iowa resident and parent of a University of Iowa student, I can say that Kirk Ferentz is highly respected as both a coach and a citizen in Iowa City. The atmosphere at Kinnick Stadium is awesome, and overall, it is a great college football experience.

Iowa is not exactly a recruiting hotbed, and it hard to attract players to Iowa City. Considering Iowa typically ranks around 50 or so in recruiting, the teams are reasonably competitive.

In sort, expectations are not the same as they are in Knoxville. Personally, I think Ferentz is a great coach when viewed in context.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
As an Iowa resident and parent of a University of Iowa student, I can say that Kirk Ferentz is highly respected as both a coach and a citizen in Iowa City. The atmosphere at Kinnick Stadium is awesome, and overall, it is a great college football experience.

Iowa is not exactly a recruiting hotbed, and it hard to attract players to Iowa City. Considering Iowa typically ranks around 50 or so in recruiting, the teams are reasonably competitive.

In sort, expectations are not the same as they are in Knoxville. Personally, I think Ferentz is a great coach when viewed in context.
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I get that, but he's only had about 5 really good seasons out of 19. If you removed just a couple of his best years, he's very pedestrian. Never has won a conference title. You can't say that about most other great coaches. He's also pretty well-compensated ($4.5m/year) for a school like Iowa.
 
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05_never_again said:
You think Snyder is overrated? He's one of the biggest "do more with less" guys out there. Nobody wants to go to Manhattan, KS. Every team is largely a new crop of JUCO transfers. What he's done there, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, is pretty impressive. He's even won a couple of Big 12 titles.
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Yeah, I do think he's overrated especially as of late. I like him and he's able to pull off some serious upsets from time to time, but the only thing he has going for him at the moment is a loyal fan base that loves him and his name on a stadium.

He has two Big 12 championships in 24 years as a head coach. Don't get me wrong, he's not a pedestrian coach by any means, but a contender he is not.
 
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05_never_again said:
You think Snyder is overrated? He's one of the biggest "do more with less" guys out there. Nobody wants to go to Manhattan, KS. Every team is largely a new crop of JUCO transfers. What he's done there, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, is pretty impressive. He's even won a couple of Big 12 titles.
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Snyder is a Hall of Fame coach.
 
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05_never_again said:
I get that, but he's only had about 5 really good seasons out of 19. If you removed just a couple of his best years, he's very pedestrian. Never has won a conference title. You can't say that about most other great coaches. He's also pretty well-compensated ($4.5m/year) for a school like Iowa.
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He's made a bowl appearance 15 of his 19 seasons coaching. He's won 8 or more games 10 of 19 times and won the conference (ties) in 2002 and 2004.

I am not arguing that he is a great coach, but I believe that he is a good coach within expectations of the program. His salary is as much about the fact that he has been at the program for 19 years as it is an indicator of his coaching ability.

I just think describing him as "overrated" is unfair and untrue. What exactly is the criteria for "accurately rated?"
 
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I think part of it is the amount of success Michigan is getting for their money. One of my favorite shows is Top Gear and they have an episode titled "The worst car in the history of the world." In it they choose the Lexus SC 430. Sure there are much worse cars like the Yugo but they were at least cheap. They argued people paid top dollar for a bad car. Harbaugh is making Ferrari money and providing Hyundai results.
 
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I’ll give him next year but after that he has no excuses. He’ll have his players in place across the board and assuming Shea Patterson is eligible he’ll have a stud quarterback. Time to beat OSU and win the big 10

He did a fantastic job with the 49ers. Sure that team was pretty loaded but he developed Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick into good NFL quarterbacks
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
He's made a bowl appearance 15 of his 19 seasons coaching. He's won 8 or more games 10 of 19 times and won the conference (ties) in 2002 and 2004.

I am not arguing that he is a great coach, but I believe that he is a good coach within expectations of the program. His salary is as much about the fact that he has been at the program for 19 years as it is an indicator of his coaching ability.

I just think describing him as "overrated" is unfair and untrue. What exactly is the criteria for "accurately rated?"
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"Accurately rated" meaning the media buzz, discussion, praise, of a coach being in line with their actual coaching abilities.

Everybody makes bowls these days. A long bowl streak, or a span of years where you make a bowl game 90% of the time, isn't incredibly impressive. You can be a .500 team and keep a bowl streak alive.

According to Wikipedia, at one point (2006) he was briefly the highest paid coach in the Big 10. He's in a perfect situation where he's a good enough coach to take a low expectation program to a bowl most years, and he occasionally has a really good year, which builds up even more equity. It isn't mandatory that Iowa be in the mix for division titles every year, and I think that admin values stability (they've only had 2 different coaches since 1979).
 
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Forever151 said:
Jimbo Fisher
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LOL. If Tennessee had gotten him, you'd be singing his praises. Yeah, that record, winning a national championship, multiple conference championships really sucks and is over rated. Has had 1 bad season in 8.
 
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Tom Herman gotta be up there IMO. His last two teams have really underachieved compared to what people say about him.
 
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Gruden.

And had he not been signed by UCLA I would have thrown Chip Kelly in the mix as well. He can win in that conference, but I think he would get his ass handed to him in the SEC or maybe even the ACC. He took the EASY money.
 
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