Most Overrated coach?

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05_never_again said:
You think Snyder is overrated? He's one of the biggest "do more with less" guys out there. Nobody wants to go to Manhattan, KS. Every team is largely a new crop of JUCO transfers. What he's done there, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, is pretty impressive. He's even won a couple of Big 12 titles.
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I do. There are people on this site that think he’s a better coach than Saban.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I do. There are people on this site that think he’s a better coach than Saban.
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Overrated coaches don't get inducted to the National Football Foundation's College Football Hall of Fame AS AN ACTIVE COACH. Bill Snyder resurrected the most moribund college football program in America, as they were 87-235-4 in their prior 30 non-Snyder seasons.
 
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TennTom said:
Overrated coaches don't get inducted to the National Football Foundation's College Football Hall of Fame AS AN ACTIVE COACH. Bill Snyder resurrected the most moribund college football program in America, as they were 87-235-4 in their prior 30 non-Snyder seasons.
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Mike Bellotti and Lloyd Carr are in the Hall of Fame. Snyder is a good coach, he’s not some Top 5 coach like some seem to think.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Ain't none if those guys taking Kap to brink of winning Superbowl like Harbaugh. He'll have a competent QB next yr. They win B10 next year.
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Exactly. Harbaugh took Stanford from 1-11 to a contender, pulled arguably the biggest upset in history while they were still bad, brought Luck and a bunch of future NFLers there, and then took the Niners from 2-14 to 3 straight NFC Championships with no QB, and that’s who BOT thinks is the most overrated coach in the country “hands down.” Lol
 
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Hell, Stanford was just as bad as K-State, yet Harbaugh probably had a better record there than Snyder has. But Harbaugh is the most overrated and Snyder is above reproach. Ok
 
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Most overrated are typically people like Mullen and Ferentz that consistently go 8-4 at “bad” programs, because people just assume that at USC that means they’d be 12-0. Almost invariably it’s dead wrong.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Most overrated are typically people like Mullen and Ferentz that consistently go 8-4 at “bad” programs, because people just assume that at USC that means they’d be 12-0. Almost invariably it’s dead wrong.
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Agreed. To hat is why I am suprised Mullen went to FL. Gator fans caused Urbs to have a nervous breakdown. Mullen gets one alibi yr against GA. Then he'll have to win the East.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Mike Bellotti and Lloyd Carr are in the Hall of Fame. Snyder is a good coach, he’s not some Top 5 coach like some seem to think.
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Lloyd Carr won 5 Big 10 titles and a National Championship. Not seeing how that helps your argument.

Belotti WON more bowl games in his career at Oregon than Oregon had been invited to in it's ENTIRE history. In other words, he also raised Oregon from the pits of college football. Knowing the prior history of these programs is important in determining the merits of these coaches.

Sustaining success at the nontraditional powers is far more difficult. No surprise you're bad-mouthing Mullen too. SMH
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Ain't none if those guys taking Kap to brink of winning Superbowl like Harbaugh. He'll have a competent QB next yr. They win B10 next year.
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Harbaugh was in his 3rd year and he finished a distant 4th in the Big Ten East, got drilled by every rival, and finished the season with 3 consecutive losses including to Muschump. If that happens with Jeremy Pruitt you guys would be sending moving vans to his house. Making top 3 money with those results in year 3 definitely gives him a shout out in this thread.
 
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TennTom said:
Lloyd Carr won 5 Big 10 titles and a National Championship. Not seeing how that helps your argument.

Belotti WON more bowl games in his career at Oregon than Oregon had been invited to in it's ENTIRE history. In other words, he also raised Oregon from the pits of college football. Knowing the prior history of these programs is important in determining the merits of these coaches.

Sustaining success at the nontraditional powers is far more difficult. No surprise you're bad-mouthing Mullen too. SMH
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If you consider winning the Las Vegas Bowl as “success,” it’s no surprise you’re defending these guys.
 
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TennTom said:
Harbaugh was in his 3rd year and he finished a distant 4th in the Big Ten East, got drilled by every rival, and finished the season with 3 consecutive losses including to Muschump. If that happens with Jeremy Pruitt you guys would be sending moving vans to his house. Making top 3 money with those results in year 3 definitely gives him a shout out in this thread.
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You’re making my point. Harbaugh went 12-1 at Stanford and hasn’t won a title at Michigan, yet people think Mullen going 8-4 at MSU is ironclad proof he’ll dominate at Florida. The inconsistency is really funny to me.
 
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I don’t think Mullen is a garunteed homerun or anything but he definitely checks a lot of boxes

He can develop quarterbacks

His offense was very successful at UF from 05-08 winnings 2 National Championships


He has 9 years sec experience and was competitive in a very tough sec west at a perineal bottom feeder



I look at Mullen like a more accomplished version of James Franklin when he was hired from Vandy. There’s definitely a lot to like and reason to think he do very well at UF

I have zero doubt he’s better then the last 2 guys we had that’s for sure
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
I don’t think Mullen is a garunteed homerun or anything but he definitely checks a lot of boxes

He can develop quarterbacks

His offense was very successful at UF from 05-08 winnings 2 National Championships


He has 9 years sec experience and was competitive in a very tough sec west at a perineal bottom feeder



I look at Mullen like a more accomplished version of James Franklin when he was hired from Vandy. There’s definitely a lot to like and reason to think he do very well at UF

I have zero doubt he’s better then the last 2 guys we had that’s for sure
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He also is like 1-15 in matchups where both teams (including his own, before people use the “bad team” excuse) were ranked, which is the worst in history. I’d take Franklin over him pretty easily
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
I look at Mullen like a more accomplished version of James Franklin when he was hired from Vandy. There’s definitely a lot to like and reason to think he do very well at UF
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Your argument is completely logical and well-thought out, but there's always a contingent of morons that think any coach that can't beat Bama with Southwest Missouri Community College's players and resources is 'mediocre.'

It's not like Steve Spurrier won a national title at Duke. He was an "8-4 coach" before he arrived at Florida.
 
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NashVol11 said:
He also is like 1-15 in matchups where both teams (including his own, before people use the “bad team” excuse) were ranked, which is the worst in history. I’d take Franklin over him pretty easily
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Well maybe now but at the time Franklin was hired vandy? He was in a rather ****ty sec east while mullen was in the west

Mullen also has 2 rings, calls his own plays and is one of the best in cfb at developing quarterbacks

Franklin just lost the offensive coordinator that played a big part in turning things around for him when his seat was getting hot with Mullen we don’t have to worry about hiring
the right offensive coordinator he’s got that side of the ball taken care of

As for that 1-15 stat it’s pointless to me hell he’s had bama on the ropes a few times including this year where he had the game tied 24-24 with 90 second left
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Your argument is completely logical and well-thought out, but there's always a contingent of morons that think any coach that can't beat Bama with Southwest Missouri Community College's players and resources is 'mediocre.'

It's not like Steve Spurrier won a national title at Duke. He was an "8-4 coach" before he arrived at Florida.
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Spurrier won his conference, Duke is a much more limited program than MSU, and Spurrier still had a higher winning percentage at Duke than Mullen had at MSU. The “morons” are the ones saying ranked teams are equivalent to community colleges
 
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NashVol11 said:
Spurrier won his conference, Duke is a much more limited program than MSU, and Spurrier still had a higher winning percentage at Duke than Mullen had at MSU. The “morons” are the ones saying ranked teams are equivalent to community colleges
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He won a 8-team ACC when the ACC was one of the weakest major conferences. Mullen went to a Sugar Bowl in what is probably the toughest division in college football history. If Miss State were in the SEC East, Mullen would've likely gone to at least 2 SEC Championship Games.

You can try to claim that the situations are magically different, but fact of the matter is, that both Mullen and Spurrier significantly overachieved at traditional losers in power conferences. Doesn't mean Mullen will automatically succeed, but on paper, Mullen is actually significantly more accomplished than Spurrier was when he was hired at Florida.
 
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Hugh Freeze beat Bama twice, but of course poor Mississippi State is basically Mississippi School for the Blind and Deaf compared to the mighty powerhouse that is Ole Miss
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
He won a 8-team ACC when the ACC was one of the weakest major conferences. Mullen went to a Sugar Bowl in what is probably the toughest division in college football history. If Miss State were in the SEC East, Mullen would've likely gone to at least 2 SEC Championship Games.

You can try to claim that the situations are magically different, but fact of the matter is, that both Mullen and Spurrier significantly overachieved at traditional losers in power conferences. Doesn't mean Mullen will automatically succeed, but on paper, Mullen is actually significantly more accomplished than Spurrier was when he was hired at Florida.
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See how you’re talking about how winning a major conference is actually less of an accomplishment than not winning one, and how Mullen being okay at MSU means he definitely would have won the East twice? That’s the type of baseless speculation I’m talking about.

8-4 at Mississippi State = 11-1 at Georgia, for sure. Has that happened for Harbaugh? Want to hire Cutcliffe or Freeze?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Hugh Freeze beat Bama twice, but of course poor Mississippi State is basically Mississippi School for the Blind and Deaf compared to the mighty powerhouse that is Ole Miss
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Ole Miss was getting top recruits BY CHEATING. And Freeze still had a losing record vs Dan Mullen. Context is not your strong suit, kiddo.
 
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