Most Overrated coach?

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MSU is a state school. It’s fine. If you’re a good coach, you can win there. They’ve been to SEC Championships before, just not under Mullen.

They’re comparable to Ole Miss or South Carolina, but people act like they’re Duke or Vandy instead, which is why Mullen gets overrated.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Ole Miss was getting top recruits BY CHEATING. And Freeze still had a losing record vs Dan Mullen. Context is not your strong suit, kiddo.
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Everyone cheats. MSU had people paying players too. Freeze just beat Bama anyway, even though Mullen apparently had no prayer (try and remember the topic you brought up, kiddo).
 
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NashVol11 said:
Hugh Freeze beat Bama twice, but of course poor Mississippi State is basically Mississippi School for the Blind and Deaf compared to the mighty powerhouse that is Ole Miss
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He had far more talent to work with but hey Hugh freeze is also a good coach I don’t mind giving credit where it’s due but you don’t seem to feel the same way with Mullen

I will say this tho Freeze burnt down what he built Mullen undeniably left MSU in good shape where they potentially win 9 games next year

Btw every MSU coach for the last 60 years or so was fired lol that was a horrible job with terrible track record before Mullen got there
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
He had far more talent to work with but hey Hugh freeze is also a good coach I don’t mind giving credit where it’s due but you don’t seem to feel the same way with Mullen

I will say this tho Freeze burnt down what he built Mullen undeniably left MSU in good shape where they potentially win 9 games next year

Btw every MSU coach for the last 60 years or so was fired lol that was a horrible job with terrible track record before Mullen got there
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He’s a good coach, I just don’t think he’s a championship coach. It’s a bad job, but it’s bad like South Carolina, not like Vandy.

He averaged more than 5 losses a year. 7-5 on average is good for MSU, but not amazing; people just make a zillion excuses for him. He’s the football version of Bruce Pearl on this site.
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
Literally the only reason you would say something like that is because of Mullen
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Not at all. I’m talking about academics, school focus, the fact that Duke didn’t even have a full-length practice field until like 3 years ago. Overall program record isn’t the same as resources.

Florida was bad in the ‘80s, but it was always possible to win there. To a lesser extent that’s true for South Carolina, UNC, both Mississippi schools. That’s why those places have been to conference championships, with or without Mullen, while Vandy getting there would take a miracle.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Ole Miss was getting top recruits BY CHEATING. And Freeze still had a losing record vs Dan Mullen. Context is not your strong suit, kiddo.
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Freeze went 3-2 against Mullen.

...and even though he was cheating, Ole Miss was still out-talented by a lot of those teams he was beating. Freeze beat twelve ranked teams in 5 years at Ole Miss. For comparison, Butch beat six in his 4+ years at Tennessee.

In the end, it was worth it for Ole Miss to cheat. Seriously. They have a limited amount to lose.
 
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05_never_again said:
Freeze went 3-2 against Mullen.

...and even though he was cheating, Ole Miss was still out-talented by a lot of those teams he was beating. Freeze beat twelve ranked teams in 5 years at Ole Miss. For comparison, Butch beat six in his 4+ years at Tennessee.

In the end, it was worth it for Ole Miss to cheat. Seriously. They have a limited amount to lose.
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How was it worth it?

So Ole Miss could pound their chest over beating Bama in the regular season twice, while Bama went on to play for or win national titles?
 
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NashVol11 said:
He’s a good coach, I just don’t think he’s a championship coach. It’s a bad job, but it’s bad like South Carolina, not like Vandy.
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All time, Vandy has a better winning % than Mississippi St. Oops...
 
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TennTom said:
All time, Vandy has a better winning % than Mississippi St. Oops...
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And they are in the sec west and are located in Starkville as opposed to Nashville

Academics are the only thing you can argue that really makes vandy a tougher job
 
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05_never_again said:
I get that, but he's only had about 5 really good seasons out of 19. If you removed just a couple of his best years, he's very pedestrian. Never has won a conference title. You can't say that about most other great coaches. He's also pretty well-compensated ($4.5m/year) for a school like Iowa.
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Not being a "great" coach doesn't mean you're overrated. No one expects Iowa to do anything, ever. Kind of hard to be overrated at that point. The fact that he's won 150 games at Iowa is impressive and he has two co-champ conference titles
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
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And they are in the sec west and are located in Starkville as opposed to Nashville

Academics are the only thing you can argue that really makes vandy a tougher job
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Is Starkville a dump? Never been.

SEC West is on top in recent history, but I would say Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida are pretty comparable to Auburn, Bama, and LSU. Arkansas and A&M haven't been in the SEC all that long, definitely not during Arkansas's hay day.

Mississippi also has more in-state talent and contends with Ole Miss for that talent, as opposed to Vandy contending with Tennessee (and Starkville is closer to Memphis than Nashville is).
 
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MSUDuo said:
Not being a "great" coach doesn't mean you're overrated. No one expects Iowa to do anything, ever. Kind of hard to be overrated at that point. The fact that he's won 150 games at Iowa is impressive and he has two co-champ conference titles
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This.

Who is "overrating" Kirk Ferentz? I don't hear a lot of national about him at all unless the team is having a very good year, and then it's no more that you hear about any other coach whose team is having a good year.

He's just a guy, and he gets about as much (or maybe a little more) out of a program as can be reasonably expected.

He's a lot like Gary Pinkel was at Mizzou.
 
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TennTom said:
All time, Vandy has a better winning % than Mississippi St. Oops...
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Point












Your head

I believe I specifically said there’s more to the ability to win at a certain school than its all-time record, but people read what they want
 
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Unless, of course, Florida was just a place where it was impossible to win big until they magically started doing it 30 years ago
 
#99
#99
When you start arguing with a straight face that Mississippi State is a worse or even comparable job to Vanderbilt, that should make it obvious that people will bend over backwards to defend Mullen.
 
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