Most Overrated coach?

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orangepridenation said:
He didn't do anything particularly special at Michigan State. He had them built up into a good program by his final year, but it took him a while to get it going.
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That’s because when he took over they were under NCAA investigation and eventually got the hammer dropped on them in his second season. Took him a while to overcome the scholarship reductions and other penalties.
 
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orangepridenation said:
He didn't do anything particularly special at Michigan State. He had them built up into a good program by his final year, but it took him a while to get it going.

I tend to agree with DG. I wouldn't go so far as to say Saban isn't a good X's and O's guy, he definitely knows his s***, but his strength has always been his ability to build and recruit much more so than simply out-scheming folks. Dude is the ultimate CEO type, and a damn good one at that.
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He beat one of the most loaded Tennessee teams ever with a backup QB and 3rd string RB. I don’t see where “building and recruiting” or “being a CEO” had anything to do with that.
 
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NashVol11 said:
He beat one of the most loaded Tennessee teams ever with a backup QB and 3rd string RB. I don’t see where “building and recruiting” or “being a CEO” had anything to do with that.
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That changes literally nothing about about his “building, recruiting, and CEO” prowess which, yes, are his greatest strengths as a HC.
 
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NashVol11 said:
He beat one of the most loaded Tennessee teams ever with a backup QB and 3rd string RB. I don’t see where “building and recruiting” or “being a CEO” had anything to do with that.
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And how in the actual f*** do “building and recruiting” not factor into his title at LSU?
 
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orangepridenation said:
And how in the actual f*** do “building and recruiting” not factor into his title at LSU?
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They factor into every title. He didn’t win at #1 Ohio State (at MSU) or beat #2 Tennessee because of recruiting. He had vastly inferior rosters and won anyway; that’s elite X’s and O’s, no matter how hard the hot takers try and take that away from him.
 
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Lots of teams recruit well year after year. Only one has won 5 titles in 9 years. Hell, only one has even won TWO in that span, much less five. And it ain’t because of assistant coaches.
 
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NashVol11 said:
They factor into every title. He didn’t win at #1 Ohio State (at MSU) or beat #2 Tennessee because of recruiting. He had vastly inferior rosters and won anyway; that’s elite X’s and O’s, no matter how hard the hot takers try and take that away from him.
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It’s not a hot take. He beat a very good TN team in ‘01. But “vastly inferior roster” is ridiculous hyperbole. That LSU team had 5-7 players drafted that year plus some incredible depth.

For the 3rd time, he does NOT lack X’s and O’s skills, but it is only a fraction of the reason he has built a dynasty at Bama.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Lots of teams recruit well year after year. Only one has won 5 titles in 9 years. Hell, only one has even won TWO in that span, much less five. And it ain’t because of assistant coaches.
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It ain’t because of assistant coaches??

JFC dude. You’re better than this.

He has surrounded himself with great assistant coaches and recruiters. That’s one of the biggest reasons he’s done it!
 
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orangepridenation said:
It’s not a hot take. He beat a very good TN team in ‘01. But “vastly inferior roster” is ridiculous hyperbole. That LSU team had 5-7 players drafted that year plus some incredible depth.

For the 3rd time, he does NOT lack X’s and O’s skills, but it is only a fraction of the reason he has built a dynasty at Bama.
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If you don’t think the Tennessee roster than year was significantly better than the LSU team it lost to, especially with said LSU team missing its QB and top two RBs, then don’t tell me I’m “better than this.” Those teams weren’t in any way evenly matched.

What’s not a hot take? I referred explicitly to taking away from his X’s and O’s skills. If it’s not a hot take, why do you keep trying to say you’re not doing it?
 
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orangepridenation said:
It ain’t because of assistant coaches??

JFC dude. You’re better than this.

He has surrounded himself with great assistant coaches and recruiters. That’s one of the biggest reasons he’s done it!
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So have 10 other schools. That’s not the difference between one title and 5. Pruitt can’t just surround himself with great assistants and boom, suddenly have one of the greatest dynasties ever.
 
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Most overrated coach? Seriously? Butch Jones. No contest.

Expected to take us to the SECCG by year 4, instead he had us winless in the SEC in year 5. That’s the definition of overrated.

Happy with Pruitt and focused on looking forward, but Butch Jones is the answer to this question.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I do. There are people on this site that think he’s a better coach than Saban.
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Comparing Bill Snyder to Nick Saban is sort of comparing apples and oranges.

One of them took over the worst program in major D-1 football and not only made a winner out of it, but won two conference titles and has had teams legitimately contend for the national championship.

It's a school that had no history of success other than one conference title in 1934, in the middle of nowhere, with no in-state recruiting base (and not even the most popular school in his own state), and nothing special in the way of facilities. Snyder coaches with every disadvantage you can imagine and he's averaged eight wins a season over 26 years.

Saban, on the other hand, took over a program with every advantage imaginable--huge fanbase, great in-state recruiting, best conference in the country, great facilities, unlimited budget--and he's maximized every one of those advantages to the tune of five national titles in nine years.

Those are both amazing feats, when measured against the circumstances each man coaches in. And I suspect that both men wouldn't have it any other way.
 
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orangepridenation said:
He didn't do anything particularly special at Michigan State. He had them built up into a good program by his final year, but it took him a while to get it going.

I tend to agree with DG. I wouldn't go so far as to say Saban isn't a good X's and O's guy, he definitely knows his s***, but his strength has always been his ability to build and recruit much more so than simply out-scheming folks. Dude is the ultimate CEO type, and a damn good one at that.
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I totally disagree. Saban is an Xs and Os defensive genius, a mad scientist type, but he also has the soft skills required to recruit and assemble a good coaching staff. He's supremely skilled at both, which is why he's the greatest coach of all time.

Most coaches are good at one or the other. Saban excels at both. It sucks as a Tennessee fan to say that but it's true.
 
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I think you could say Butch Jones but he's been exposed and everyone knows he sucks.
But I would say Brian Kelly. He gets top recruiting classes, but most seasons at ND under him has been mediocre. Had the one really bad season in 2016. He's a choke artist in big games. ND should've been in a position to beat Miami this past year, but Kelly was outcoached by Richt. Then ND lost to Stanford when a trip to a New Years Eve game was on the line.
 
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