'24 MS DL Kamarion Franklin (Ole Miss commit)

[MarcoVol]

I saw that too. 89 posts and around 5-10 are about money and nil

More than that

 

[bigl3327]

Need to worry about us being in trouble after that 350k Nico got before signing last year

Why? NIL was legal for high schoolers in the state of California. Also, do you have proof of that, or are you repeating an unsubstantiated rumor?

 

[UTvol1fn]

Some kids don’t like Rodney garners style of coaching anymore. Some want to be coddled and told how great they are all the time. Walter Nolan is a prime example, he didn’t like garner and was hesitant about his tough love attitude. No amount of money would have changed that. Franklin was always looking for a pay day, nothing more nothing less. Don’t care what his comments say nil is the only reason for his desired location

Ok

 

[alexvol]

Why is it wild? Just curious. He can sell successes at Ole Miss, and Liberty. We all know he's a used car salesman. But can actually coach, and scheme.

Auburn has perfected the dirty program. This was a perfect marriage. Remember that before divisions, they were one if our fiercest rivals. Them landing Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams was a huge deal, and really catalyzed the pendulum swing to our glut. I think. Er it was the signalling of the beginning of the end.

Anyone thinking them being good 'because they'll take away cruits from GA and Bama,' needs to re think that. That may be true, but that sword cuts both ways.

Don't ever forget that he has been proven to be the best "PIMP " in college football and being head coach makes him more effective in that role.

 

[RAVOL]

Why can’t we do that? I don’t understand why these other programs can throw this money around to get these elite players but we can’t.

For Tennessee it's about looking at whole of Roster and filling each need instead of splash with few. Plus NIL wasn't available Heup first year and we had Ncaa all up in our business. In CHRIST Alone

 

[volinbama256]

they just brought the bank on the two 5*'s they just flipped and now bringing the bank for Franklin? Damn, their NIL must have gotten crazy full awful quick... We are missing now on about 3-4 5* players because we won't bring the bank... Heup will have to live and die by this... can't have it both ways--- says they won't overpay for anyone-- that's fine and he's the coach, I am assuming he's that confident in the staff and players he has that we will compete and win at the 5* level (AL, GA, ) with 4* talent...Which he's done so far...

funny all the excuses that are flowing in each thread instantly once a high tier guy goes or is trending to someone else... Obviously we can't get them all, and we don't have unlimited NIL funds, but it's not been a good trend this cycle to see so many elite guys we are missing on that we were once in the lead or top two on... It would be another thing if we were on the outside or just in the mix... Next man up and get the best available player in that position that wants to be a VFL is all we can hope for.

 

[LWSVOL]

I love Heupel. But this doesn’t make sense. Especially IF the rumors about Nico were true (not saying they are). Why not spend for some big time defensive players if you know NIL could get them? Especially when that’s the side of the ball you need the most help on? You don’t think Garner would love to have guys like Franklin and Nwaneri???

On Nico, IMO, was a time when everyone was trying to assess and learn how the NIL / collectives were going to work. Could be that JH also values Nico that high... One learning experience with NIL is how to keep a roster of players happy on who is getting what kind of NIL... real challenge for all schools. Many will trip all over themselves trying to find a happy medium. This will always be an issue especially as long as you have a portal option that is wide open to leave whenever one wants to.

 

[volinbama256]

For Tennessee it's about looking at whole of Roster and filling each need instead of splash with few. Plus NIL wasn't available Heup first year and we had Ncaa all up in our business. In CHRIST Alone

That unfortunately has nothing to do with last recruiting cycle and this recruiting cycle...we either have the money and spend it, or we don't and let someone else grab a kid we want who's willing to pay a little more.

 

[RAVOL]

That unfortunately has nothing to do with last recruiting cycle and this recruiting cycle...we either have the money and spend it, or we don't and let someone else grab a kid we want who's willing to pay a little more.

It's Freeze first year wanting to win the headline is what I mean first year publicity.

 

[MarcoVol]

they just brought the bank on the two 5*'s they just flipped and now bringing the bank for Franklin? Damn, their NIL must have gotten crazy full awful quick... We are missing now on about 3-4 5* players because we won't bring the bank... Heup will have to live and die by this... can't have it both ways--- says they won't overpay for anyone-- that's fine and he's the coach, I am assuming he's that confident in the staff and players he has that we will compete and win at the 5* level (AL, GA, ) with 4* talent...Which he's done so far...

funny all the excuses that are flowing in each thread instantly once a high tier guy goes or is trending to someone else... Obviously we can't get them all, and we don't have unlimited NIL funds, but it's not been a good trend this cycle to see so many elite guys we are missing on that we were once in the lead or top two on... It would be another thing if we were on the outside or just in the mix... Next man up and get the best available player in that position that wants to be a VFL is all we can hope for.

“Leading means nothing”. There is no bad trend. We have 19 commits - 14 of which are 4* in 247 composite or better. Class is ranked 8th in country. Just stop with that nonsense, makes you look silly.

 

[volinbama256]

It's Freeze first year wanting to win the headline is what I mean first year publicity.

Yep he definitely wants to make a splash... hopefully short term thinking that will bleed their funds dry so there's not enough left to get good talent to balance out the roster... so you get 3-4 elite guys, but if you don't have a Dline or Oline, or QB, those 3-4 guys can only do so much...

 

[sjt18]

If everyone else you are forced to bid on after are inferior players (not saying that, just a hypothetical) to Nwaneri and Franklin, and you missed on the A list players and now can only bid on B list ones, is that really better even though you didn't overpay?

That's where your value assessments have to be right. Let's look at it another way. Let's say you spend all your money on an "A list" prospect. Now let's say that a competitor gets 3 B list prospects for the same money. Remember they are prospects and NOT proven commodities. Probably equates somewhat to buying mining rights on speculation. You aren't dealing with a certain payback but probabilities.

But in our scenario what are the positive and negative possibilities? Your A list guy may simply be a bust. He may develop an attitude. He could be injured. He could be a good but overrated player. All of that could be true of any or all of the B list guys. But the likelihood is that at least one will be a contributor. They might be underrated. They might develop and have a higher ceiling than the guy thought to be A list.

So again the coaches have to do value assessments and decide whether 3 guys with possibly lower individual probability of being high end are better than one with a bit higher probability.

You are having to settle and now not only did you miss but you have to play against the A list player you missed on with your B listers.

Hopefully they keep relationships. I know numerous times especially since this staff came in UT has taken a commit with almost no notice... a guy that the reporters weren't aware of or else covering.

But you are assuming certainty in the evaluations that isn't there. B listers often turn out to be A listers. The classic example is Tillman. One of the sites had him rated 2* coming in. A 2* rating means that they looked at him and essentially said he would never be better than a mid-major type of player. JJ Peterson was the highest rated player in Tillman's class. He joined a roster that included 4* players like Tyler Byrd and Carlos Fils-Aime.

The headliner top WR recruit in the previous class was Jordan Murphy. Mississippi Mr Football. Considered a surefire recruit. He never contributed and left UT in 2019. I can't find where he continued football anywhere else.

So again, all of this has to play into how much you are willing to pay for a single player even if you think he's really good.

I'm not in the competitive bid business so this just a question I have based on your scenario.

Gotcha. No problem. In the analogy as in the real world of recruiting, you have to assess the options and the values.

Another example. During Covid for a variety of reasons the chips used in cars were in short supply. In my area, a Ford assembly plant built cars, drove them to a lot, took the chip out, and repeated the process with the next car. Those cars sat there until chips came in so they could be sold. As a result the price and supply of cars went crazy for a while. A good friend of mine who has a fairly high volume Toyota dealership literally had no trucks in stock for months... not even one to test drive.

Some people ran right out and overpaid for a car. Some had to. But some were just impulsive and didn't think it through. The smart and well planned consumer just held on to their money. That may be what UT is doing. Let other buyers pay too high then later get someone who emerges who is as good or better for less.

PS- don't forget the portal. ANYONE they sign out of HS now will be someone they feel really good about. They will think they're at least in the same tier as Franklin/Nwaneri. If not, they'll spend that money getting a proven performer with some development out of the portal.


You have to have the discipline to work a plan. I think Heupel has earned some trust based on the last two years that he has a good plan for building his roster.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

It's Freeze first year wanting to win the headline is what I mean first year publicity.

They still dont have 1 o-lineman committed yet

 

[VolFreakJosh]

they just brought the bank on the two 5*'s they just flipped and now bringing the bank for Franklin? Damn, their NIL must have gotten crazy full awful quick... We are missing now on about 3-4 5* players because we won't bring the bank... Heup will have to live and die by this... can't have it both ways--- says they won't overpay for anyone-- that's fine and he's the coach, I am assuming he's that confident in the staff and players he has that we will compete and win at the 5* level (AL, GA, ) with 4* talent...Which he's done so far...

funny all the excuses that are flowing in each thread instantly once a high tier guy goes or is trending to someone else... Obviously we can't get them all, and we don't have unlimited NIL funds, but it's not been a good trend this cycle to see so many elite guys we are missing on that we were once in the lead or top two on... It would be another thing if we were on the outside or just in the mix... Next man up and get the best available player in that position that wants to be a VFL is all we can hope for.

Dumb post is dumb

 

[Big Orange#1]

they just brought the bank on the two 5*'s they just flipped and now bringing the bank for Franklin? Damn, their NIL must have gotten crazy full awful quick... We are missing now on about 3-4 5* players because we won't bring the bank... Heup will have to live and die by this... can't have it both ways--- says they won't overpay for anyone-- that's fine and he's the coach, I am assuming he's that confident in the staff and players he has that we will compete and win at the 5* level (AL, GA, ) with 4* talent...Which he's done so far...

funny all the excuses that are flowing in each thread instantly once a high tier guy goes or is trending to someone else... Obviously we can't get them all, and we don't have unlimited NIL funds, but it's not been a good trend this cycle to see so many elite guys we are missing on that we were once in the lead or top two on... It would be another thing if we were on the outside or just in the mix... Next man up and get the best available player in that position that wants to be a VFL is all we can hope for.

They saved almost all NIL funds during the harsin era. So now they've got a big bank ready to spend.

 

[RAVOL]

They still dont have 1 o-lineman committed yet

We have seen how that plays out

 

[All_Vol87]

I know i was being sarcastic

Dangit @MyAll ! use the blue font!!

 

[LWSVOL]

That unfortunately has nothing to do with last recruiting cycle and this recruiting cycle...we either have the money and spend it, or we don't and let someone else grab a kid we want who's willing to pay a little more.

And having money doesn't mean spending it on a particular player. The amount they allocate for said player depends on several factors.

Overall roster dollar management. Position dollar management. Position needs. Recruiting class position breakdown. Overall evaluation of roster, positions and the recruit.

It's not as simple as do you have the money.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

they just brought the bank on the two 5*'s they just flipped and now bringing the bank for Franklin? Damn, their NIL must have gotten crazy full awful quick... We are missing now on about 3-4 5* players because we won't bring the bank... Heup will have to live and die by this... can't have it both ways--- says they won't overpay for anyone-- that's fine and he's the coach, I am assuming he's that confident in the staff and players he has that we will compete and win at the 5* level (AL, GA, ) with 4* talent...Which he's done so far...

funny all the excuses that are flowing in each thread instantly once a high tier guy goes or is trending to someone else... Obviously we can't get them all, and we don't have unlimited NIL funds, but it's not been a good trend this cycle to see so many elite guys we are missing on that we were once in the lead or top two on... It would be another thing if we were on the outside or just in the mix... Next man up and get the best available player in that position that wants to be a VFL is all we can hope for.

I still see that you love talking out of your ass.

 

[volinbama256]

I still see that you love talking out of your ass.

I still see your reading comprehension is lacking...

AU has spend a ton of NIL to flip two 5* players and is looking to land a 3rd with Franklin on NIL?
Have we, or have we not missed on some players due to NIL?
Has Heup said they will evaluate and not overpay? By not overpaying, he will lose out on a few kids and will have to go with next man up?
Are there excuses on a thread from folks once we see we are not going to land the kid?
Has there been a trend this cycle where we are in the lead or in the top two and lose out due to NIL-- at least 3 kids so far?
Next man up is all we can hope for?

 

[volinbama256]

And having money doesn't mean spending it on a particular player. The amount they allocate for said player depends on several factors.

Overall roster dollar management. Position dollar management. Position needs. Recruiting class position breakdown. Overall evaluation of roster, positions and the recruit.

It's not as simple as do you have the money.

correct--- when I say we either have the money or we don't, that means we don't have that amount available, that it is being appropriated on someone else or another position of need... hence, we either have it or don't to spend on a particular kid.

 

[volinbama256]

They saved almost all NIL funds during the harsin era. So now they've got a big bank ready to spend.

Yep, it will be interesting to see what happens and what type of funds they have available next season... Will they have spent it all the first year, or will they be able to sustain this level year after year...

 

[VolFreakJosh]

I still see your reading comprehension is lacking...

AU has spend a ton of NIL to flip two 5* players and is looking to land a 3rd with Franklin on NIL?
Have we, or have we not missed on some players due to NIL?
Has Heup said they will evaluate and not overpay? By not overpaying, he will lose out on a few kids and will have to go with next man up?
Are there excuses on a thread from folks once we see we are not going to land the kid?
Has there been a trend this cycle where we are in the lead or in the top two and lose out due to NIL-- at least 3 kids so far?
Next man up is all we can hope for?

I don’t think Heupel needs you to teach him on how to run his program.

 

[walkenvol]

I still see that you love talking out of your ass.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

That unfortunately has nothing to do with last recruiting cycle and this recruiting cycle...we either have the money and spend it, or we don't and let someone else grab a kid we want who's willing to pay a little more.

So when you need a burger and a couple of places have them for $3000 you buy it cause you got it?