'24 MS DL Kamarion Franklin (Ole Miss commit)

[DaddyChad]

No he did not. That is a stupid interpretation.

Nolan lied and made a statement with the deliberate intention of insulting UT and making us look bad to the best of his meager ability. It was a tacky, dishonest, and needless thing to do.

I hate dude getting rehashed. But don't try to deceive about what he said or meant.

You pretty much nailed it. Family cares about money and lying to try to save face about being mercenaries as well. I do think he has talent but there’s a complete lack of integrity and I’m fine with not having that in our lockerroom.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

You pretty much nailed it. Family cares about money and lying to try to save face about being mercenaries as well. I do think he has talent but there’s a complete lack of integrity and I’m fine with not having that in our lockerroom.

Wasn’t Rodney Garner turned off by Walter Nolan too or was that just a rumor?

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

No, he lied. He trolled us. He threw a lie out there. Are you his mom? Not worried about it. It's no big deal. I'm not mad at Nolan. He may wish he had not done it, for all I know. He may have disliked people talking about TAMU buying a class; not our problem. I just don't like to see the truth undermined on our own board.

Then if I missed it what was our offer and what was their offer. HE SAID IF IT WAS JUST NIL then he would be at UT. WE are a fact or two short of being able to validate that ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I don’t believe we outbid them and lost. Two numbers will change that.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

This is an extremely weird hill for you to resolve to die on.

I responded to the obviously false "mind reading" post #1,603. You somehow found it intolerable not to respond in defense of the indefensible. If you believe
#1,603 is a "rational" interpretation of what Nolan actually said, go ahead.

Let's talk about Kam.

His statement seemed to remove ALL other factors with his IF IT WAS ONLY NIL HE WOULD BE HERE remark to say we offered more NIL and he passed.

Does not seem like there is s lot of wiggle room. So knowing both best and final offers is needed. If we did he can play the high road card. If not he lied as has been proposed by others.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

This classically defines the line between those that place integrity way up the REQUIRED list for a coach vs those that don’t. Part of what makes the sports world go around. We are on different planes on this one. Loved the results but could not support bringing their BB Coach BACK either. Hate it cause both of my daughters are AU grads.

Our cost of doing business with integrity optional guys in both FB and the double dip in BB has hardened, no strengthened my placement on the list. I rest easy on the BB side and hope CJH makes me proud on th FB side. I will not justify sleaze for a single win. So far DW seems to have a litmus test on the issue as well.

I don’t hold integrity above coaching ability sorry. When you think of integrity do the names Saban, Smart, Meyer, Fisher and Swinney come to mind? Probably not. It those coaches have dominated CF for the last 20 years. I am more than happy that we got Heupel and I wouldn’t trade him now for anyone in the nation.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I don’t hold integrity above coaching ability sorry. When you think of integrity do the names Saban, Smart, Meyer, Fisher and Swinney come to mind? Probably not. It those coaches have dominated CF for the last 20 years. I am more than happy that we got Heupel and I wouldn’t trade him now for anyone in the nation.

Meyer is in a category of his own from the rest of your list. Closer to Pruitt, Tyndall and even Bruce. Others are more iffy. Pushing envelopes for the rest, different envelopes at that.

It is your right to accept that mindset and behavior and mine to NOT. Don’t want them or those that justify them near my grandkids, or even my dog. It is a good thing there is more than one foxhole on our side of the skirmish lines. Hitler was effective in his field too.

 

[bobbyutvol]

I live 15 minutes away from this kid and what we are hearing is watch out for ole miss. Going to come down to $$$ I will be very suprised if he becomes a Vol

 

[JCVol00]

I live 15 minutes away from this kid and what we are hearing is watch out for ole miss. Going to come down to $$$ I will be very suprised if he becomes a Vol

If it comes down to money he sure as heck aint going to Ole Miss

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If it comes down to money he sure as heck aint going to Ole Miss

Won’t come here either if it’s just about money. We don’t “over pay.” We just watch other teams do that.

 

[wmcovol]

He had a pretty good Fr year

I was very impressed with him. I wanted to find him overrated but he’s not.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I live 15 minutes away from this kid and what we are hearing is watch out for ole miss. Going to come down to $$$ I will be very suprised if he becomes a Vol

Figured that out whenever everyone on earth led, and he kept holding out

 

[sjt18]

I don’t hold integrity above coaching ability sorry. When you think of integrity do the names Saban, Smart, Meyer, Fisher and Swinney come to mind? Probably not. It those coaches have dominated CF for the last 20 years. I am more than happy that we got Heupel and I wouldn’t trade him now for anyone in the nation.

That's a really, really sad statement.

As for those guys... each one of them has something in common. They're human. And just happening to coach rivals doesn't automatically make them bad people.

Saban has lived in a glass house for years. There are people who devote their career to taking guys like him down with some kind of scandal. Yeah he seems to be a jerk but he doesn't seem to be dishonest or lack "integrity".

I personally think Smart is pretty slimy. You see it reflected in the off field problems his teams have. Will there eventually be a cost like there was at Miami or even UT under Fulmer? I suspect there will. But it is working for them in the now.

Meyer's players seemed to trust him. Tebow as far as I know still loves and defends him. I think his job changes were all less than the model of honesty. But I've seen worse. (And out of your list I like him the least)

I'm not sure why Fisher is in the list. But what specifically has he done that makes him lack integrity? I think he's kind of like Fulmer as a coach and man. That doesn't make him a bad guy... just not a consistently great coach.

Swinney is hated by some here but what exactly has he done other than stating some opinions that he then had to eat? I'm sure you have never done that but the rest of us have.


My opinion has NEVER been that you have anything other than championships as the standard for a UT HC. I can't remember where you stand/stood on that but IMO you don't compromise nor do you show "patience" with someone who is underperforming. That was the argument I had with guys about Jones. OTOH, I don't think you have to sacrifice one for the other. IMHO, culture and integrity are integral to what Heupel is doing in such a way that if those fail his program will fail.

 

[MarcoVol]

I don’t hold integrity above coaching ability sorry. When you think of integrity do the names Saban, Smart, Meyer, Fisher and Swinney come to mind? Probably not. It those coaches have dominated CF for the last 20 years. I am more than happy that we got Heupel and I wouldn’t trade him now for anyone in the nation.

So you don’t value integrity in leaders of young men as long as they’re winning football games?

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

So you don’t value integrity in leaders of young men as long as they’re winning football games?

Let’s be honest here: they’re not coaching my sons out there. Ideally it’d be great to have the coach with the most integrity etc. But at the end of the day, we’re not gonna walk out of a stadium after a loss, consoling each other with “sure they lose fellas, but they did so with integrity!”

Dabo and Swinney are dirt bag human beings. I sure would like two national championships though. I think I could live with a dirt bag coach if he delivered championships.

Fortunately I think Heupel will deliver that while having integrity. But that doesn’t change my original point.

 

[Joe Dirt]

So you don’t value integrity in leaders of young men as long as they’re winning football games?

That’s nice in theory, but insanely naive. Unless, of course, you think strippers like you and politicians have your best interest in mind.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So you don’t value integrity in leaders of young men as long as they’re winning football games?

No. My son isnt playing college football. So as a fan? I want to win games. I want to win national championships. That’s all that’s important to me. I would have taken Hugh Freeze in a split second. I would have taken Urban Meyer, Saban or Smart. These guys are elite college football coaches who can develop guys and get them to the NFL.

And let’s not make it sound like integrity is high on the list of a coach. Example. Coach A is a coach full of integrity but only wins 7-8 games a year. Zero championships. Coach B is a scumbag but wins 10-12 games A year, wins championships and has multiple first round draft by picks every year? As a fan, which are you taking? And these kids are only with these coaches 3-4 years. That’s a drop in the bucket compared to their life

 

[sjt18]

Let’s be honest here: they’re not coaching my sons out there. Ideally it’d be great to have the coach with the most integrity etc. But at the end of the day, we’re not gonna walk out of a stadium after a loss, consoling each other with “sure they lose fellas, but they did so with integrity!”

Dabo and Swinney are dirt bag human beings. I sure would like two national championships though. I think I could live with a dirt bag coach if he delivered championships.

Fortunately I think Heupel will deliver that while having integrity. But that doesn’t change my original point.

In what way? You dislike him. OK. So what makes him a "dirt bag"?

We complain about cheating and others getting away with it... then some of you declare that winning even with a "dirt bag" is just fine with you. We have dirt bags and cheating SPECIFICALLY because of people like you. That kind of compromise damages CFB but it transcends football to society in general. It is how you get pharmaceutical companies that suppress treatments that do not enhance their bottom line. Their investors... can "live" with dirt bag management and people dying as long as they get their ROI.

 

[bigl3327]

In what way? You dislike him. OK. So what makes him a "dirt bag"?

We complain about cheating and others getting away with it... then some of you declare that winning even with a "dirt bag" is just fine with you. We have dirt bags and cheating SPECIFICALLY because of people like you. That kind of compromise damages CFB but it transcends football to society in general. It is how you get pharmaceutical companies that suppress treatments that do not enhance their bottom line. Their investors... can "live" with dirt bag management and people dying as long as they get their ROI.

IMO, some people have a sad way of thinking. They could care less about someone else being ethical, as long as it doesn't affect them directly in a negative way if the benefit is "winning". They say their son isn't playing college football, but I wonder if they'd be OK with that morally bankrupt winner bending their wife over the desk and giving her the business regularly after getting her hooked on narcotics. I use that analogy because these coaches are leading about 200 people each year(players and staff). What they do helps shape and develop those people beyond a football field. Pruitt helped ruin the careers of many people inside that building during his tenure, and by extension affected the lives of many others outside. He did it in an effort to win at any cost. I've seen people win with integrity throughout my life, so I find the opposite unacceptable. That's just my opinion though.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

If you don’t value integrity then you’re a sh*tty person in my book.

Sorry.

 

[LouderVol]

This classically defines the line between those that place integrity way up the REQUIRED list for a coach vs those that don’t. Part of what makes the sports world go around. We are on different planes on this one. Loved the results but could not support bringing their BB Coach BACK either. Hate it cause both of my daughters are AU grads.

Our cost of doing business with integrity optional guys in both FB and the double dip in BB has hardened, no strengthened my placement on the list. I rest easy on the BB side and hope CJH makes me proud on th FB side. I will not justify sleaze for a single win. So far DW seems to have a litmus test on the issue as well.

The issue with us at the time was we were cheating AND losing. so I think a lot of people's mindset is if we are going to cheat, lets get the wins and go ahead and hire Freeze.

 

[LouderVol]

So you wouldn’t have celebrated if Pruitt had won a NC? Because Pruitt is as sleazy as Freeze. The combination of Fulmer/ Pruitt may be one of the grimiest combinations in college sports history.

Freeze was hiring hookers for recruits. many of which would have been underage.

Pruitt is as sleezy as Freeze on the money front, but no where close on the sexual side of things.

 

[LouderVol]

No, he lied. He trolled us. He threw a lie out there. Are you his mom? Not worried about it. It's no big deal. I'm not mad at Nolan. He may wish he had not done it, for all I know. He may have disliked people talking about TAMU buying a class; not our problem. I just don't like to see the truth undermined on our own board.

got some way to prove this truth?

again, I am not saying he didn't take money to go to TAMU. and based on the "truth" regarding Nico's $8,000,000 recruitment, its not like we were afraid to offer big money to big recruits.

I am just curious what people are basing their beliefs on besides sour grapes?

 

[Joe Dirt]

If you don’t value integrity then you’re a sh*tty person in my book.

Sorry.

Meyer and Freeze are actual proven scumbags. The rest of college coaches are like politicians. They all bend the rules and do shady things, we just decide who we like and hate depending on who we’re fans of. That doesn’t make them scumbags or that they lack integrity necessarily. All of us would have taken Smart, Dabo, or Riley if they were available. Choosing Meyer or Freeze for the sake of winning is crappy though.

 

[LittleVol]

IMO, some people have a sad way of thinking. They could care less about someone else being ethical, as long as it doesn't affect them directly in a negative way if the benefit is "winning". They say their son isn't playing college football, but I wonder if they'd be OK with that morally bankrupt winner bending their wife over the desk and giving her the business regularly after getting her hooked on narcotics. I use that analogy because these coaches are leading about 200 people each year(players and staff). What they do helps shape and develop those people beyond a football field. Pruitt helped ruin the careers of many people inside that building during his tenure, and by extension affected the lives of many others outside. He did it in an effort to win at any cost. I've seen people win with integrity throughout my life, so I find the opposite unacceptable. That's just my opinion though.

Dang! It can get rough out here in these streets !

You went a whole other direction on that brotha, before reigning it back in!

 

[volinbama256]

so are we getting this kid or not...