'24 MS DL Kamarion Franklin (Ole Miss commit)

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vol_in_ga said:
Man please take the narrative argument somewhere else, like to bigorangtrain or littlevol. I know you’re game. Not interested.
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No narrative involved. Direct comparison and examples to make a rational point. If you can't take it... then maybe you should take a look at your opinion?

Just saying we have one of if not the most aggressive nil collectives in the country.
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Right. And you as an investor/manager of money KNOW that you won't stay in that kind of favorable position if you take stupid risks with your assets. The assessments of potential could all be spot on... and a guy they "threw the bank" at could still get injured or homesick or something else that make it a bad investment.

Someone is going to win the bid. Those who win the "war" in recruiting will be those whose value assessments are the closest to being accurate coupled to the amount of money available to spend.

If CRG can get starter level production out of a 3 star, I’m assuming he can get all conference out of a consensus 5 star.
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You assume so. Imbedded in that assumption is a bunch of other assumptions not the least of which is a very, very expensive trust in the recruiting site "star" rating. Neither of us are in the room... but I suspect that the staff has evaluated some lowly 3* that they feel has similar potential.

In that scenario, given how important the pass rush is to our defense, I think that type of elite caliber player is worth overpaying for. Worry about squeezing pennies with the projects, write the check for the program changers.
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If we were talking about a guy coming out of the portal with high end talent and proven performance then I might agree with you. If we knew who else that staff was considering and their relative potential then you could be correct. As it is, we have to trust that they're looking at the whole picture and making competitive offers to recruits like Franklin within a plan that will improve the roster and optimize resources.
 
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cncchris33 said:
That's fine, and I don't disagree if that's your approach. I also don't think it's some manic, emotional assumption to believe he's trending away from Tennessee based on everything we are hearing from the people most likely to have any inside information on the subject.

If you want to optimistically hold out hope until the eleventh hour, then as you said, that's your right. Two sides to that coin, though. Your choice for optimism doesn't make it any more or less valid than those who think the odds are slim and none, and slim is boarding the jet.
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again, boarding what jet? Has he set a commitment date?

If he was announcing anytime in the next week or two, that attitude of "next" would make sense. but as far as I have seen here nothing is set.

not saying we should be optimistic, just saying there are updates and changes all the time and with no shot clock running there is no reason to abandon ship. particularly with who CRG tends to get a couple late, and even a flip or two.
 
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newVOLworld said:
I certainly did. What that means is if you don’t want to be a Vol we move on so that’s why I said next. Go Vols!
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I get that. But, you later said you thought he would change his mind a few more times. Those statements seem to contradict each other. It really does not matter. I will agree with your Go Vols!!
 
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drvenner said:
So your answer is break the bank, even though you don't know how much that would be and none of it is your money? Cool.
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Throw the bank, not break it. I’m saying overpay for one player. That’s not going to break the bank.

And technically some of it is my money as I contribute to the Vol club, aside from the thousands of dollars I spend each year on tickets and travel and merchandise and such.
 
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LaagerVol said:
To me, managing the culture in the locker room would be tough to do if you are severely overpaying these HS recruits. Imagine having been at your job for 2-3 years and you’re doing a great job. Reliable, extremely productive, essentially a superstar. Then imagine some hotshot comes in fresh out of school and admittedly he has a lot of potential, but he doesn’t REALLY know how to do his job yet, and he starts out making double what you are making. Would that upset you?
the coaches have a much more complex situation to worry about than just “we have the money, let’s overpay him”.
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That’s a valid question. I would question how that came to be and how I could do better for myself, but I wouldn’t be concerned if I were the supposed player, because being on the field is ultimately what matters and the staff has shown that it doesn’t matter what NIL you’re getting, you have to do all the right things and be the best player also to get on the field.

Also I doubt a high schooler is making double as you suggested. If that’s truly the case, which I don’t think it is, I would expect that player needs some help from ferking on promoting his brand.
 
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IMissTheMidRangeGame said:
How is a coach who hasn’t even coached a down yet about to pull three 5 stars while it took us until y2 to get one and y3 after a 10-2 season we’re looking like to only getting one maybe two unless something changes drastically
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Auburn is overpaying.
 
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You know? I take back what i said a while ago. A good Auburn is good for us since they take Georgia and Bama recruits. I think this is the 3rd recruiter since Freeze has gotten that he’s beat us out for.
 
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LouderVol said:
again, boarding what jet? Has he set a commitment date?

If he was announcing anytime in the next week or two, that attitude of "next" would make sense. but as far as I have seen here nothing is set.

not saying we should be optimistic, just saying there are updates and changes all the time and with no shot clock running there is no reason to abandon ship. particularly with who CRG tends to get a couple late, and even a flip or two.
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You seem hung up on there being a date set to commit. Some of these kids just commit on Twitter or Instagram out of the blue. And what if he sets a commitment date tomorrow for next Saturday? Did he suddenly just decide in an instant? Of course not. You have to read the lay of the land based on what you know in the moment.

And of course it could change, but it could change whether a date is set or not, so that seems like an arbitrary notion to be hung up on. Chris Cole is a perfect example. He has set a date of September 10th, but we still hold out hope that he visits and we change his mind. Him having a date set has little bearing on that.
 
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vol_in_ga said:
That’s a valid question. I would question how that came to be and how I could do better for myself, but I wouldn’t be concerned if I were the supposed player, because being on the field is ultimately what matters and the staff has shown that it doesn’t matter what NIL you’re getting, you have to do all the right things and be the best player also to get on the field.

Also I doubt a high schooler is making double as you suggested. If that’s truly the case, which I don’t think it is, I would expect that player needs some help from ferking on promoting his brand.
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I think that answer is disingenuous. You are honestly saying (numbers for arguments sake, and put yourself in the mindset of an 18-22 yr old) if you have been in the program for 3 years, you have been starting for 2 years, never get in trouble, always do what is asked, see productive on the field, and you are making $100,000 a year from NIL, then a HS kid playing the same position comes in, hasn’t played a down of college football, and is making $250,00 a year in NIL money, you would be cool with that?
Even if you would be cool with it, we don’t live in a perfect world. Egos are present in a locker room. Its a tricky process and saying just throw all of the money at player X is a shortsighted thought process at best
 
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I think what everyone is saying is not to put all your eggs in one basket...or, don't put all your money in bitcoin, or don't give a teenager more money than he needs, or don't...you get the point.
 
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