'24 MS DL Kamarion Franklin (Ole Miss commit)

[Vol423]

Already been accounted for is conveniently vague.

We self imposed scholly limits and what you’re talking about are the additional ones that didn’t fall under what we’d already self-imposed.

The staff did a good job of softening the blow, but it’s 28 scholarships lost no matter how you slice it.

No, the fine doesn’t come out of Spyre’s pool. But it does affect the recruiting budget. 8 million? Not gonna derail the class but it’s felt.

We’ve already taken the hit for 18 of the 28 scholarships over the last 2 seasons per Heupel, who would know with absolute certainty. There is nothing even remotely vague about that. We have the next 5 seasons to eat 10 additional scholarships.

 

[drvenner]

Lol. Your understanding of recruiting is one of the worst so have ever seen. You bash the services yet they are right more often than wrong. Weathersby is making noise and Bradley is a long way away. And you think that means the services missed? Lol. Wrong as usual. That argument is equally as dumb as when someone says oh so and so was only a 3* but for drafted in the first round.

Do you not get that the services base their ratings on what the kids do in high school? Once they leave HS, they are subject to college level coaching.

I guess size, athleticism, speed, strength has nothing to do with it?

 

[Jackcrevol]

Did he just buy an $18 million dollar beach home to visit one month a yr?

i've been hearing the nick has bought, real estate crap for twenty years.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Jesus dude. It’s freaking August. Flips are gonna happen along with decommits. Bama and UGA have had decommits. We could absolutely sign a top 5 class. Why do you think we can’t sign a top 5 class?

we could, but our path to it sure is a long way away, long way.

top ten sure, top five not likely.

 

[Tncurler]

When Coach Garner was with Tennessee in the 90s , he coached TEs and OTs . Dan Brooks was the DL coach ( and a dang good one ) from the mid 90s until Phil's departure. He was replaced by Ed O. When Kiffin was hired . If my memory serves me , it seems like Dan Brooks landed at Clemson for a few years .

He certainly found his niche.

 

[volbeast33]

Anyone who thinks the recruiting sites can accurately distinguish a #5 class from a # 9 class... is delusional.

Weathersby is making some noise. Bradley is a "long way" from making a contribution. One scored 93.29 pts. The other scored 89.95. Want to guess which one is which? That's how "accurate" the recruiting sites are. They're "shotgun" accurate... not Marine sniper accurate.

That’s not true….. talent wise….. Bradley is him….. he just has to add college size.

 

[sjt18]

Lol. Your understanding of recruiting is one of the worst so have ever seen. You bash the services yet they are right more often than wrong.

No they aren't. Only about 2/3's of the ones they call sure fire NFL prospects get drafted. About 20% of 4* do. More 3* and under guys will become elite enough to make it to the NFL.

Talent wins. Your issue is that you think the recruiting sites are far more knowledgeable and accurate than the are.

Weathersby is making noise and Bradley is a long way away. And you think that means the services missed? Lol. Wrong as usual. That argument is equally as dumb as when someone says oh so and so was only a 3* but for drafted in the first round.

Things aren't wrong or dumb simply because they inconveniently prove that your faith in the recruiting sites is ridiculous. Very much the opposite.

Bradley has potential to become a good football player. So does Weathersby. But the latter was more ready and well rounded. IMO this is more a case of him being underrated than Bradley necessarily being overrated. But it still shows the inaccuracy of the recruiting sites.

And we haven't even gotten into how inaccurate they are in predicting winners outside of a handful of programs... that pretty much anyone could pick.

Do you not get that the services base their ratings on what the kids do in high school? Once they leave HS, they are subject to college level coaching.

LOL. No. They base their ratings based on how they project a player will do in college and beyond. Read their own guides to the ratings. They are wrong about 4/5* guys frequently... even when they play a "game" to make themselves look more accurate than they are. They arbitrarily limit the number of 4/5* labels they hand out. You'd see truly how inaccurate they are if they tried to get ALL of the actual 4/5* players.

Lots of things go into how a kid performs in college. Talent does. Talent ceiling does. Ability to take coaching and learn.

Bradley and Weathersby are being coached by the same guys btw... so even if you had a rational point... you'd still be wrong in this case.

 

[sjt18]

That’s not true….. talent wise….. Bradley is him….. he just has to add college size.

One guy is performing. The other guy is struggling. That doesn't mean Bradley won't become a good player. It does point to Weathersby being underrated.

 

[sjt18]

Lol. Your understanding of recruiting is one of the worst so have ever seen. You bash the services yet they are right more often than wrong. Weathersby is making noise and Bradley is a long way away. And you think that means the services missed? Lol. Wrong as usual. That argument is equally as dumb as when someone says oh so and so was only a 3* but for drafted in the first round.

Do you not get that the services base their ratings on what the kids do in high school? Once they leave HS, they are subject to college level coaching.

Oh, and not once did you actually address the point of the post. The recruiting ratings and rankings are NOT accurate enough to determine a #5 class from a #9 class. The #9 class could easily be much better than that ranking.

 

[johnfnkelly]

Anyone who thinks the recruiting sites can accurately distinguish a #5 class from a # 9 class... is delusional.

Weathersby is making some noise. Bradley is a "long way" from making a contribution. One scored 93.29 pts. The other scored 89.95. Want to guess which one is which? That's how "accurate" the recruiting sites are. They're "shotgun" accurate... not Marine sniper accurate.

recruiting rankings are based off pro potential - has little to do with college readiness. Weathersby might be more impactful as a frosh, but Bradley seemingly has more room to grow and will probably be a better player by their 3rd year in the program.

 

[Jaxon_Vol2017]

He’s just looking for the highest bidder.

Always has been.

He’s just looking for the highest bidder.

Always has been.

Garner didn't seem to mind when he continued to recruit him. These are the type guys we need.

 

[Volfan1000]

Franklin is set to announce his college decision on August 19th per a recent Sports J podcast.

 

[Joe Dirt]

Jesus dude. It’s freaking August. Flips are gonna happen along with decommits. Bama and UGA have had decommits. We could absolutely sign a top 5 class. Why do you think we can’t sign a top 5 class?

It’s not impossible. But we’re currently outside of the top 10 (on 247) and don’t have many needle-movers left on the board from a class rankings standpoint. New targets will emerge and flips will happen, but it’d have to be several major prospects to move us all the way to the top 5.

 

[MarcoVol]

It’s not impossible. But we’re currently outside of the top 10 (on 247) and don’t have many needle-movers left on the board from a class rankings standpoint. New targets will emerge and flips will happen, but it’d have to be several major prospects to move us all the way to the top 5.

Currently outside top 10 with 19 commits but the teams directly in front of Vols have:

#10 - 19 commits
#9 - 22
#8 - 24
#7 - 23
#6 - 27
#5 - 21
#4 - 17
#3 - 21

If Vols were to add Wingo and Jordan Ross, that would be good enough for 3rd right now.

Staff is putting together a fantastic class once again.

 

[Jackcrevol]

It’s not impossible. But we’re currently outside of the top 10 (on 247) and don’t have many needle-movers left on the board from a class rankings standpoint. New targets will emerge and flips will happen, but it’d have to be several major prospects to move us all the way to the top 5.

gracias amigo.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

Currently outside top 10 with 19 commits but the teams directly in front of Vols have:

#10 - 19 commits
#9 - 22
#8 - 24
#7 - 23
#6 - 27
#5 - 21
#4 - 17
#3 - 21

If Vols were to add Wingo and Jordan Ross, that would be good enough for 3rd right now.

Staff is putting together a fantastic class once again.

Seriously, the top 10 classes can be so bunched together literally one player can move a class multiple spots up or down. I've said it elsewhere but as it stands this class, by average player rating, is the best one on paper we have ever had since they began tracking this sort of thing. We could stop right now and it would be historically good from a quality standpoint.

 

[Joe Dirt]

Currently outside top 10 with 19 commits but the teams directly in front of Vols have:

#10 - 19 commits
#9 - 22
#8 - 24
#7 - 23
#6 - 27
#5 - 21
#4 - 17
#3 - 21

If Vols were to add Wingo and Jordan Ross, that would be good enough for 3rd right now.

Staff is putting together a fantastic class once again.

Class is absolutely fantastic. And top 5 isn’t impossible, but probably shouldn’t be viewed as the goal. If we add another 2-3 blue chippers and finish in the 7-9 range I’ll be more than happy.

 

[volbeast33]

One guy is performing. The other guy is struggling. That doesn't mean Bradley won't become a good player. It does point to Weathersby being underrated.

From practice reports…. We are way overvaluing that 15 minutes that the media sees…. I figure both players will probably play a similar amount this season….Sort of like West and Joseph did last year… Bradley is super explosive but needs to gain weight just like Josephs did….. Did you notice the difference in him from year one to year two?

 

[DaddyChad]

Eh whatever. Long as we’re getting elite talent we don’t need to be top five imo. My only gripe with this class is in the interior Dline, I think everything else is going to be alright. You’ve got Heupel who is pretty good at developing the qb position, Pope who has done pretty okay with the wr position, Garner don’t know if you’ve heard of him but he’s pretty good at developing dlinemen. We done better not only at development but also at early evaluations on kids as well.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

One guy is performing. The other guy is struggling. That doesn't mean Bradley won't become a good player. It does point to Weathersby being underrated.

What have they said about Weathersby? I must have missed it.

 

[LouderVol]

Settle down, man. Why so uptight? I'm not going to be miserable, at all. I don't hang on the every coming and going of each kid we recruit. We'll win some and we'll lose some.

I haven't said anything different. you are apparently the one with the axe to grind, you were the one who @'d me.

 

[LouderVol]

Seriously, the top 10 classes can be so bunched together literally one player can move a class multiple spots up or down. I've said it elsewhere but as it stands this class, by average player rating, is the best one on paper we have ever had since they began tracking this sort of thing. We could stop right now and it would be historically good from a quality standpoint.

this is true. 1-3 are up on their own level. 4-14 are all pretty close, where one or two players is the difference between 4 & 14. and then there is typically a pretty big drop off, where the difference is probably needing 5 players to move up into the 4-14 tier.

 

[overseasorange2]

Seriously, the top 10 classes can be so bunched together literally one player can move a class multiple spots up or down. I've said it elsewhere but as it stands this class, by average player rating, is the best one on paper we have ever had since they began tracking this sort of thing. We could stop right now and it would be historically good from a quality standpoint.

The way it is going, that looks probable. But you are correct! The class is very good as it stands!

 

[avolation]

Class is absolutely fantastic. And top 5 isn’t impossible, but probably shouldn’t be viewed as the goal. If we add another 2-3 blue chippers and finish in the 7-9 range I’ll be more than happy.

Heupel has already proven two things. He’s a good evaluator of talent, and he and his staff can develop. Not to mention that he’s also one of the best offensive minds in the game right now. Consecutive classes in the 5-10 range are good enough for championships with this staff.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Heupel has already proven two things. He’s a good evaluator of talent, and he and his staff can develop. Not to mention that he’s also one of the best offensive minds in the game right now. Consecutive classes in the 5-10 range are good enough for championships with this staff.

Production from the last 2 classes will be a good way to validate, or not, our commonly held position on both eval and development abilities. It is possible that second tier ranked players meet or exceed production of SOME of the sexy guys folks lose their minds over when we don’t come in first. Both HS and portal. We shall see.