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Sure his actions had additional influence. The point isn't blame, it's that the dismissal of the impact of disinformation and propaganda efforts, just as you are doing, leave us unprepared for the same happening again. And it is..
It has always been there. You are just hypersensitive about it now because of Trump. Who says we are unprepared? You and everyone who will listen to your screaming about it is now aware if they weren't earlier. As is the MSM. You don't think those crack reporters at CNN won't be on the lookout for those Cypriot meme farms and Russian disinformation Facebook/Twitter/Instagram poster/bloggers? How about our elite NSA/FBI/CIA/Homeland Security "forces." It had absolutely no impact on me or anyone I know. Did it have any influence on you or anyone you know? If so, you have some stone dumb acquaintances who probably shouldn't be voting because they are too stupid anyway.

Good grief, any excuse will do for you to delegitimize the last election. GTF over it.
 
People are stupid.
Just look at all the videos of people being asked what they think of HRCs plans. After they say how great it is they’re told “no, that’s trumps plan”. I Have trouble believing that the Russians were any more successful at their propaganda than the regulars of the DNC or GOP. It’s simply ******** that the simple minded need to believe to explain how they didn’t see trump coming.

One here you can only get one like from me but I’m requoting you to say you should get a 1000.
 
Sure, people are gullable, and that's my main point. I don't have special insight as to who was actually coordinating the social media disinformation efforts, just that it was massive and almost entirely in support of Trump.

I actually spent a fair amount of time on Facebook at the time, and watched people falling for the crap that was going on. So, essentially users would get several friend requests from odd people supposedly living in your community, and most people would accept. No big deal right.. Well, once they've been accepted, everything these new "friends" have posted, liked, and commented on became part of your "news feed". This isn't the point where anything seems odd.

These new "friends" were also members of larger groups who by all appearances, support a candidate or a cause. These new "friends" have access your interests and the list of groups you were already a member of, and instantly profile you. With this information they could decide which of their tailored groups you would likely accept an invitation to... Whether it be "America for Bernie" or "God Bless America" etc.. name a cause, they had a group for it. You would receive invitations to these groups based upon which aligned with your interests. No big deal, your news feed has been infiltrated, and you unwittingly joined a group that looks as if it supports just what it describes. All the while your real life acquaintences in your community are being targeted in the same way.

At this point, the disinformation campaigns are already underway in these dubious groups, but just subtle suggestions between members of the groups, most who are not real people at all, often accompanied by a funny suggestive picture. All the while, you see these interactions on your "news feed".

As the number of real people who join these groups grow and election day draws near, the disinformation and propaganda level of these groups and interactions steadily grow. At this point your Facebook feed has transformed to a degree that it's a steady stream of politically motivated influence and disinformation.

A week out from election day, these groups and "new friends" have gone full-on propaganda/meme trolls. "America for Bernie" is now incessantly posting about Hillary killing people, and suggesting she'll be in jail by election day. "God Bless America" is doing the same and mixing in some Pizzagate... The scale of this being the whole country with emphasized targeting of communities that polling data suggests are integral.

Was this being done by Russia? I cant tell you, but the planning, coordination, and execution were surgical.

What about the ones that don’t have FB or Twitter ?
 
Are we choosing to ignore that both political parties already engage in this type of disinformation and propaganda campaign themselves? Not only that, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if other foreign countries did much the same in trying to "influence" our elections. Is the big deal that their was "foreign" influence or that it was Russia doing it? Or even that they were doing it for Trump? Would the outrage even exist if it were the UK or France, and they did it in favor of Hillary? IMO, doubtful that it would. There was always going to be outrage if Hillary lost, and there were always going to be people looking for excuses. No matter that she ran a terrible campaign and didn't even bother to show up in certain states, no, it has to be someone else's fault. The Dems handed her their primary. Apparently she felt she would be handed the election as well. She was wrong. Start the excuses.


Lessons learned, is the point. But sadly the lesson learned is how to conduct a disinformation campaign using social media, it continues and is evident here on VNPF daily. But since you seem inclined to whatabouts. You tell me about the instances you are referencing.
 
Are we choosing to ignore that both political parties already engage in this type of disinformation and propaganda campaign themselves? Not only that, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if other foreign countries did much the same in trying to "influence" our elections. Is the big deal that their was "foreign" influence or that it was Russia doing it? Or even that they were doing it for Trump? Would the outrage even exist if it were the UK or France, and they did it in favor of Hillary? IMO, doubtful that it would. There was always going to be outrage if Hillary lost, and there were always going to be people looking for excuses. No matter that she ran a terrible campaign and didn't even bother to show up in certain states, no, it has to be someone else's fault. The Dems handed her their primary. Apparently she felt she would be handed the election as well. She was wrong. Start the excuses.
Let us know when that happens, until then Trump got help from Russia
 
It has always been there. You are just hypersensitive about it now because of Trump. Who says we are unprepared? You and everyone who will listen to your screaming about it is now aware if they weren't earlier. As is the MSM. You don't think those crack reporters at CNN won't be on the lookout for those Cypriot meme farms and Russian disinformation Facebook/Twitter/Instagram poster/bloggers? How about our elite NSA/FBI/CIA/Homeland Security "forces." It had absolutely no impact on me or anyone I know. Did it have any influence on you or anyone you know? If so, you have some stone dumb acquaintances who probably shouldn't be voting because they are too stupid anyway.

Good grief, any excuse will do for you to delegitimize the last election. GTF over it.

Another dismissal of the magnatude, you call it what you like.
 
Lessons learned, is the point. But sadly the lesson learned is how to conduct a disinformation campaign using social media, it continues and is evident here on VNPF daily. But since you seem inclined to whatabouts. You tell me about the instances you are referencing.

Where did I reference specific instances? Are you telling me you don't believe both parties engage in disinformation and propaganda campaigns? If you've followed any election, you've either seen it, or chosen to ignore it.
 
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What about? Millions of people spent ours upon hours on FB daily. You tell me about the other people.

I don’t know that was my question . Millions and millions of people also did not spend one hour or FB or Twitter . How did the Russians change their minds ?
 
I don’t know that was my question . Millions and millions of people also did not spend one hour or FB or Twitter . How did the Russians change their minds ?
Having to hear the gullables talk about what they've learned from FB, God knows I had to hear the crap.
 
Another dismissal of the magnatude, you call it what you like.
It gets dismissed because it's irrelevant. Russia's actions were irrelevant. Hillary ran a piss poor campaign. She was so sure she had the election locked up, she didn't even campaign in certain states. That has more to do with her losing than anything Russia did. Her arrogance bit her in the ass. But of course, the left has to blame anyone but themselves. Someone needs to learn how to take responsibility rather than making excuses.
 
Let us know when that happens, until then Trump got help from Russia

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It gets dismissed because it's irrelevant. Russia's actions were irrelevant. Hillary ran a piss poor campaign. She was so sure she had the election locked up, she didn't even campaign in certain states. That has more to do with her losing than anything Russia did. Her arrogance bit her in the ass. But of course, the left has to blame anyone but themselves. Someone needs to learn how to take responsibility rather than making excuses.
But it's always someone else's or something else's fault.

"It was Bush's fault."

"He couldn't help being a criminal, he was a product of his environment."

"No one is an "illegal alien."

"Russia influenced the election."

See a pattern here?
 
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I honestly just think your side will believe anything rather than accept that Hillary lost. No offense of course.
Sure thing buddy. Like your side will repeat the same BS line. I really don't think anyone cares that Hillary is not the President, what people care about is what we have now and how we got here.
 
Where did I reference specific instances? Are you telling me you don't believe both parties engage in disinformation and propaganda campaigns? If you've followed any election, you've either seen it, or chosen to ignore it.
I believe some inept attempts were made in support of Hillary, only that Trump appeared to have Russian intelligence running a unprecedented disinformation/propaganda/fakenews operation for his benefit. The same could be done against Trump. Awareness of the methods is my point.
 
Sure thing buddy. Like your side will repeat the same BS line. I really don't think anyone cares that Hillary is not the President, what people care about is what we have now and how we got here.
Would they care about that if Hillary was President?

Hell, naw.
 
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[/QUOTE]I believe some inept attempts were made in support of Hillary, only that Trump appeared to have Russian intelligence running a unprecedented disinformation/propaganda/fakenews operation for his benefit[/QUOTE]LOL[/QUOTE]. The same could be done on against Trump. [/QUOTE]It already has. And is continuing. Just turn on CNN
 
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