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0nelilreb said:
I would like for my ICs to be honest , fair , not lie to us , create or alter information , to be neutral , without a political bias when investigating anything that the DOJ determines needs to be investigated . You can’t do the opposite of any of those things especially when investigating one of the highest profile case of their careers then tell me it was all just mistakes . Their first and foremost job as the highest law enforcement agencies in the land is to maintain integrity. They failed , p!ssed down our backs , and told us not to worry it’s just rain .
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The bar for integrity is something Trump has never reached. If this lawyer would have withheld this information from the courts, would that be criminal? If Trump withholds information from oversight committees, is that impeachable?
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The report clearly stated that there were errors and mistakes, but no bias. If Clinesmith altered an email about Page, he should be punished. It won't change the conclusion of the report, nor will it prove a pattern in a two year investigation. As for Abramson, I really do encourage you to read the book(s) before judging them. They are meticulously researched, footnoted, and impeccably organized. I am going out on a limb in assuming you aren't a researcher, an academic or a prosecutor, but if you were any of those things, you could take these facts to the bank. They all lead back to footnoted sources that can (each) be independently verified. Good stuff.
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“It’s unclear what the motivations [of the FBI] were. On the one hand, gross incompetence, negligence? On the other hand, intentionality, and where in between? We weren’t in a position—with the evidence we had—to make that conclusion. But I’m not ruling it out.” - Horowitz

Sen. Crapo: If someone were to characterize what you are telling us to be—that you’re telling us there is no bias here—that’s not what you’re telling us?
Horowitz: That is not—as to the operation of these FISAs—what I’m telling you.​

“There is such a range of conduct here that is inexplicable,” he said, “and the answers we got were not satisfactory, that we’re left trying to understand how could all these errors have occurred over a nine month period or so, among three teams—hand-picked—the highest profile case in the FBI, going to the very top of the organization, involving a presidential campaign.” -Horowitz

The IG report noted that the Page FISA “omitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an ‘operational contact’ for the other agency from 2008 to 2013.”

“In an email from the liaison to the OGC Attorney [Clinesmith], the liaison provided written guidance, including that it was the liaison’s recollection that Page had or continued to have a relationship with the other agency.”

Clinesmith “altered the liaison’s email by inserting the words ‘not a source’ into it, thus making it appear that the liaison said that Page was ‘not a source’ for the other agency.”

Sen. Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the [FISA] court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?”


Horowitz: “That’s correct. That is what occurred.”

“Relying upon this altered email, SSA 2 signed the third renewal application that again failed to disclose Page’s past relationship with the other agency.” - Horowitz
 
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Mick said:
The bar for integrity is something Trump has never reached. If this lawyer would have withheld this information from the courts, would that be criminal? If Trump withholds information from oversight committees, is that impeachable?
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This isn’t about if Trump withholds court documents . This is our IC mick . You just presented a straw man argument .
 
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0nelilreb said:
This isn’t about if Trump withholds court documents . This is our IC mick . You just presented a straw man argument .
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No, I presented 2 questions to illustrate your strict application of "integrity" to the lowest levels of the Executive Branch while the Head of the Executive Branch says FU congress and Asks Ukraine to investigate one of our citizens. There isn't a more blatant example of abusing FISA than to bypass it all together.
 
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Mick said:
No, I presented 2 questions to illustrate your strict application of "integrity" to the lowest levels of the Executive Branch while the Head of the Executive Branch says FU congress and Asks Ukraine to investigate one of our citizens. There isn't a more blatant example of abusing FISA than to bypass it all together.
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Smh . Side step , avoid , deflect and regroup . That’s why I like poking liberal turtles . Lol
 
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Mick said:
As pointed out earlier, you lack the critical thinking skills necessary for complex analysis.
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Not really, I’m just smart enough to realize when the pile of poop I’m trying to shovel out of the way is bigger than my shovel . I really don’t think I have one big enough to move the BS you spout .
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
I’ve read every report related to this case, cover to cover. I have two friends in the DOJ, and one on the federal court of internal review supervising internal discipline. The FISA applications were sloppy. I don’t like that. I know enough about investigative work to know it’s all too common. That said, the investigation was sound. Trump is guilty of the matters being tried, and more. If you want to follow a curatorial journalist who was also an attorney, read Seth Abramson. He has the largest footnoted library of this case of anyone. Read his two books, and then get back to me.
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You actually think Trump is a Russian agent. Did you happen to see that Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats and closed the Seattle consulate? And do you know Trump wants to base nuclear weapons in Poland along with their recent Patriot missile purchase? And of course Trump sold Javelin ATM missiles to Ukraine. And just applied sanctions to the Russian gas project to Germany,

So much for your delusion.

More than 130 Russian diplomats expelled by 20 countries, including US
 
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Orangeburst said:
You actually think Trump is a Russian agent. Did you happen to see that Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats the other day and closed the Seattle consulate? This is in addition to expelling dozens of Russian diplomats in 2018. And do you know Trump wants to base nuclear weapons in Poland along with their recent Patriot missile purchase? And of course Trump sold Javelin ATM missiles to Ukraine.

So much for your delusion.

More than 130 Russian diplomats expelled by 20 countries, including US
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Waste of keystrokes.

Some people just want to believe, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. It’s the Rachel Maddow Effect.
 
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Orangeburst said:
You actually think Trump is a Russian agent. Did you happen to see that Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats and closed the Seattle consulate? And do you know Trump wants to base nuclear weapons in Poland along with their recent Patriot missile purchase? And of course Trump sold Javelin ATM missiles to Ukraine. And just applied sanctions to the Russian gas project to Germany,

So much for your delusion.

More than 130 Russian diplomats expelled by 20 countries, including US
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Your response doesn't fit the post to which you responded.
 
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Orangeburst said:
You actually think Trump is a Russian agent. Did you happen to see that Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats and closed the Seattle consulate? And do you know Trump wants to base nuclear weapons in Poland along with their recent Patriot missile purchase? And of course Trump sold Javelin ATM missiles to Ukraine. And just applied sanctions to the Russian gas project to Germany,

So much for your delusion.

More than 130 Russian diplomats expelled by 20 countries, including US
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Again, I’d suggest reading the material. You seem to have invented a position that is not Abramson’s or mine, and then clumsily refuted it.
 
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37L1 said:
“It’s unclear what the motivations [of the FBI] were. On the one hand, gross incompetence, negligence? On the other hand, intentionality, and where in between? We weren’t in a position—with the evidence we had—to make that conclusion. But I’m not ruling it out.” - Horowitz

Sen. Crapo: If someone were to characterize what you are telling us to be—that you’re telling us there is no bias here—that’s not what you’re telling us?​
Horowitz: That is not—as to the operation of these FISAs—what I’m telling you.​

“There is such a range of conduct here that is inexplicable,” he said, “and the answers we got were not satisfactory, that we’re left trying to understand how could all these errors have occurred over a nine month period or so, among three teams—hand-picked—the highest profile case in the FBI, going to the very top of the organization, involving a presidential campaign.” -Horowitz

The IG report noted that the Page FISA “omitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an ‘operational contact’ for the other agency from 2008 to 2013.”

“In an email from the liaison to the OGC Attorney [Clinesmith], the liaison provided written guidance, including that it was the liaison’s recollection that Page had or continued to have a relationship with the other agency.”

Clinesmith “altered the liaison’s email by inserting the words ‘not a source’ into it, thus making it appear that the liaison said that Page was ‘not a source’ for the other agency.”

Sen. Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the [FISA] court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?”


Horowitz: “That’s correct. That is what occurred.”

“Relying upon this altered email, SSA 2 signed the third renewal application that again failed to disclose Page’s past relationship with the other agency.” - Horowitz
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The report found no institutional bias, no conflict between political beliefs and the pursuit of justice, and no conflicts. While Horowitz may not know the intentions of an individual agent in altering an email, he was very comfortable stating that the body of work was unbiased.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The report found no institutional bias, no conflict between political beliefs and the pursuit of justice, and no conflicts. While Horowitz may not know the intentions of an individual agent in altering an email, he was very comfortable stating that the body of work was unbiased.
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“Nobody that touched this report is vindicated”.. Horowitz to Senate
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Again, I’d suggest reading the material. You seem to have invented a position that is not Abramson’s or mine, and then clumsily refuted it.
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Seth should of gave Mueller an autographed copy and saved him some time. Thousands of leads with footnotes I tell ya.
 
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Mick said:
He didn't say that. Making up quotes is sad, since you have been accuse of being uninformed.
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“ The activities we found here , don’t vindicate anybody who touched this “ .
Now you are just trying too hard mick . Turtle poke !
 
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