my own wrapup tonight, if I may

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jjay2518 said:
Sparty beat me to it, but there is no reason to call a timeout to set defense. With the amount of time this staff supposedly spends on defense during practice, he should have no problems just signaling the defense in without a timeout.

I would have issue with any coach who did it.
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This and the fact that we aren't talking about freshman who need to be handheld
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Guys played hard. That's not the issue.

-58 pts and an L. Go figure.

-at least 12 turnovers in our halfcourt offense. I remember 1 running the floor. If you are slowing the pace and turning it over, it freaking kills you

-CM called a timeout after Jrich hit a 3 with 6:15 left. We didn't score again for 2 minutes, scored 3 pts in the next 4 minutes and 7 pts for the rest of the game.

-UT was outscored 14-7 after that timeout by CM. And ftr, the crowd had just been fired up by that 3, then basically sat down.

-Before halftime pretty much sums up the last 3 years. Up 3, shooting lights out, have the last shot and can go up 5 or 6 into half. What do we do? Go to the rim with 9 seconds left, go in with a 1 pt halftime lead, and zap momentum.

UF is good. Another opportunity gone though. 58 pts isn't going to cut it.
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This is what probably pisses me off the most. Martin has stated that he doesn't want to run because he's afraid we'll turn the ball over. What the hell does it matter? We're turning the ball over regardless. McRae had 5 turnovers and was careless with the ball in the 1st half and Maymon was a turnover machine. They accounted for 13 of the 15 turnovers. That's inexcusable.

The game went like I figured it would. I figured we'd battle, but we would be our own worst enemy enough not to be able to beat a very good Fla team. Their guards are head and shoulders better than ours. Make no mistake, Fla is damn good. Final 4 good. One of Donovan's best teams. There is no shame in losing to them anywhere. However, we missed out on a huge opportunity to state our case for the tourney. I think they'll go undefeated in SEC play unless Ky plays out of their minds this weekend.

When you have 15 turnovers and only 8 assists and get outrebounded 39-32, you aren't beating any good teams unless you're shooting lights out. The first half we did almost, the second half not so much. We would've beaten most SEC teams tonight at home not named Fla or Ky IMO. Fla plays some of the best defense in the country which hasn't always been a Donovan staple. That is why they are dangerous this year.

The game at Mizzou is another huge opportunity. That is the one that is more winnable even though it is on the road. We have to bounce back and shrug this one off. If we come out flat like we did against Vandy, we'll get beat soundly.
 
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#54
I have to just walk away when he calls the TO after made 3's. Needless to say I have walked away way to many times this year.

His reasoning is he wants to set up his defense to make a big stop. That is the same argument of a defense calling a TO with 5 seconds left in the game and leading. Just so frustrating especially at home.
 
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#55
DL916 said:
Calls TO after a big 3.

Changes from 1-3-1 to man-to-man after getting 8 great defensive possessions from the zone.

Doesn't call any offensive plays when you need a bucket to prevent a mini run.

Sometimes I wonder if UT is paying him to win games or if the opponent is paying him to lose games.
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Could be playing for that buyout check...........
 
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VolGee4 said:
Your last statement is not truthful and not fair. We went to the basket, and Stokes got fouled with 9 seconds left. He missed the free throw, which gave UF the ball. That is execution. I am not a fan of waiting until the last few seconds at the end of the first half because the clock runs after a made shot. You misstated that big time. Sorry, Sparty.
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I completely disagree. That is a terrible play. If you have the ball with no shot clock, the absolute worst thing you can do is give the opponent the ball with a chance to score. I don't care if you run the clock down and take a shot with your back to the basket, if you do it with no time on the clock it's better than making the mistake of giving the ball back to the opponent.

We had a 3 point lead with the ball. We should go into the locker room with no less than a 3 point lead. You do not start the offense with more than 5 or 6 seconds to go. We started with 12 seconds. You can blame us missing the front end of a 1 and 1 but that doesn't matter. The fact is we put ourselves in that position by going WAY too early. It's just a bad play that shouldn't happen.
 
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#57
What do I get the funny feeling people would really be complaining if we stood around for 34 seconds and McRae fired up a bomb that resulted in an air ball?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What do I get the funny feeling people would really be complaining if we stood around for 34 seconds and McRae fired up a bomb that resulted in an air ball?
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I'm sure some would. But at least we would still have a 3 point lead going into the half instead of a 1 point lead.

In the grand scheme of things, it's not a huge deal. But it's just one more small thing that adds up. And when you're losing games, it's often for a number of small reasons. I remember in Buzz's years you could look at stats and couldn't quite figure out where we were going wrong. The stats didn't add up to our records. It's the little things that don't get attention paid to them that lead to losses again and again.
 
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NYC Vol said:
I'm sure some would. But at least we would still have a 3 point lead going into the half instead of a 1 point lead.

In the grand scheme of things, it's not a huge deal. But it's just one more small thing that adds up. And when you're losing games, it's often for a number of small reasons. I remember in Buzz's years you could look at stats and couldn't quite figure out where we were going wrong. The stats didn't add up to our records. It's the little things that don't get attention paid to them that lead to losses again and again.
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Wanna know my biggest complaint from the game? I'm sure you don't but I'll tell ya anyways...


Why the f*****g f*** do you call a designed play for Maymon at that point of the game when he had been Mr. Butterfingers? I get leaving him in, I really do, but that in no way means you have to call the play for the guy that's been fumbling the ball all night. Run something for Jarnell or Jordy, let Maymon go get an offensive rebound, but for gods sake why would you run the play for him?

Just didn't get that.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Your last statement is not truthful and not fair. We went to the basket, and Stokes got fouled with 9 seconds left. He missed the free throw, which gave UF the ball. That is execution. I am not a fan of waiting until the last few seconds at the end of the first half because the clock runs after a made shot. You misstated that big time. Sorry, Sparty.
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i think he is exactly right, go into the half at least up 3......that 4 point turnaround ended up beating them
 
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Spartacavolus said:
you are incorrect here VG. You don't give the other team the ball back at all. Attacking a defender from post with 9 seconds left is stupid, especially when up 3. It's not the first time it's happened and not the first time we blew momentum. At worst, you don't get a shot off at all and go in up 3.

I didn't misstate it.
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correct
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Wanna know my biggest complaint from the game? I'm sure you don't but I'll tell ya anyways...


Why the f*****g f*** do you call a designed play for Maymon at that point of the game when he had been Mr. Butterfingers? I get leaving him in, I really do, but that in no way means you have to call the play for the guy that's been fumbling the ball all night. Run something for Jarnell or Jordy, let Maymon go get an offensive rebound, but for gods sake why would you run the play for him?

Just didn't get that.
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Completely agree. And I know exactly what you're talking about. I think it was 2:30 or 3 mins to go. We ran a little false motion and got Maymon on the block and threw it into him.

I don't mind Maymon in the game there. But I'm not going to run a play specifically designed to get it to him on the low block. Not against a double teaming opponent like Fla. Not when he's already had 7 turnovers. Not when Stokes has been a man child. Not when McRae has shot the ball well. Not when JRich has knocked down a few 3s and a couple 15 ft pull ups. In fact, I think I would rather see Armani Moore hoist a 3 so at least we could go rebound the ball than throw it inside to Maymon there. And that's no offense to Maymon, who worked his ass off all game.

It's just a case of not putting your guys in position to succeed. And that's a constant complaint I have of this staff.
 
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#66
went to the game tonite, first one all year.....funny how things are seen differently than watching on tv.

here are my complaints.....
the timeout after richardson 3 really killed some major crowd momentum

i think we should have gambled with stokes coming back after 3 fouls.....i mean we arent going to win if he is on the bench with 3 fouls or 5.......take the gamble

should have played barton more, he was driving and playing pretty well.

maymon obviously struggled....would have tried more Armani(i know it might not have worked)

the aforementioned end of the first halve

and what i havent seen discussed so far. choosing not to foul in the second half after florida ran the clock down to 1:30 and got an offensive rebound.......i think at that point they should have stretched the game out as long as possible being down 6
 
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#67
How do you shoot 63% in the 1st half, your opponent shoots 36% and you only lead by 1 point???
 
#69
#69
olesmokey081764 said:
o foul in the second half after florida ran the clock down to 1:30 and got an offensive rebound.......i think at that point they should have stretched the game out as long as possible being down 6
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That's a judgment call. Honestly, extending the game MAY have helped, but at that point it was a two-possession game. If they'd gotten the defensive board at 1:30, they could have fought for a win instead of relying on missed free throws. Unfortunately, Florida just wanted it more.
 
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#70
Spartacavolus said:
tired of not being entertained, by the way. If we are going to lose, let's lose 78-74 and have some fun. Turnovers and 58 pts is boring, ugly, losing basketball. And I'm tired of seeing it.
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I was entertained last night, disappointed again but still entertained.
 
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#71
Spartacavolus said:
tired of not being entertained, by the way. If we are going to lose, let's lose 78-74 and have some fun. Turnovers and 58 pts is boring, ugly, losing basketball. And I'm tired of seeing it.
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wait til next season - Martin will be back and with a bunch of low mid major players
 
#72
#72
Why can't we face the fact that we are nothing more than an average team. We are not a tournament team by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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#73
Did anyone happen to notice that Tennessee held Florida scoreless for 8 possessions with the 1-3-1? Six minutes. Then the first 3 pointer by Florida was hit in transition, not against the zone. Switched to man-to-man and Wilbekin immediately hit the 3 pointer to ice it!
 
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#74
SeniorDrill said:
Did anyone happen to notice that Tennessee held Florida scoreless for 8 possessions with the 1-3-1? Six minutes. Then the first 3 pointer by Florida was hit in transition, not against the zone. Switched to man-to-man and Wilbekin immediately hit the 3 pointer to ice it!
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Martin coaching at it's best. He is not ready for primetime.
 
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#75
ReelfootVol said:
Why can't we face the fact that we are nothing more than an average team. We are not a tournament team by any stretch of the imagination.
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Because we do not have average talent - don't you understand? Name another average non-tourney team that has 2 guys who will be in the next NBA draft?
 
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