Name your most hated ESPN analyst

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#252
BigPapaVol said:
there isn't one of them that can hit a 2 iron as far as woods. not to mention that when he lets the big dog eat, Bubba ain't outdriving him.
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impasse- A situation that is so difficult that no progress can be made; a deadlock or a stalemate :)

If you wish to believe that you are free to do so. You MAY even be right. However, my stating that Tiger has never won a driving title is an irrefutable fact.

As for when he "lets the big dog eat" let's see where his longest drives, not just average, have stacked up against his peers this century:
'07 T96
'06 T53
'05 T8
'04 9*
'03 T41
'02 T27
'01 T28
'00 3

So since 2000 Tiger's highest ranked bomb in any given year, that year in fact, was good for 3rd on the season.

*04 was incredible. Tiger hit his longest shot this century, 425 yds, and it was still only good for 9th! (Davis Love III hit a 476 that year :eek:hmy:)

Oh, and just to stay in with the OP, Holtz. Did anybody else see when he announced at the beginning of the season he thought ND could win 10 games? You could see in his face that it was all Herbie could do not to just start laughing. Of course, everybody where I was at immediately did.
 
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#254
how bout this one i don't even know if he's espn but he does pro not college..... Dennis Miller
 
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#255
hndog609 said:
impasse- A situation that is so difficult that no progress can be made; a deadlock or a stalemate :)

If you wish to believe that you are free to do so. You MAY even be right. However, my stating that Tiger has never won a driving title is an irrefutable fact.

As for when he "lets the big dog eat" let's see where his longest drives, not just average, have stacked up against his peers this century:
'07 T96
'06 T53
'05 T8
'04 9*
'03 T41
'02 T27
'01 T28
'00 3

So since 2000 Tiger's highest ranked bomb in any given year, that year in fact, was good for 3rd on the season.

*04 was incredible. Tiger hit his longest shot this century, 425 yds, and it was still only good for 9th! (Davis Love III hit a 476 that year :eek:hmy:)
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longest drive is a ludicrous stat, period.

Ask the big boys who has the most pop out there and you might get a mixed ser of answers, but many, many will tell you it's tiger.

Don't know how much swing stuff you know, but Tiger has actually decreased the lag in his swing and cut down his yardage substantially, but still hits it as long as everyone out there. If he wants to stomp a 3 wood, he can fly the thing past 300 yds.

For reference, Tiger hit a sharply uphill 260 yd 2 iron on a par 5 and Johnny Miller's only comment was "and folks, there's a shot that Tiger has, that nobody else on tour can hit." He was exactly right.
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#256
#256
driving distance titles are worthless. Daly has a slew of them and 5 Ws.
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#257
How did this turn into a golf discussion?! :blink:
 
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#261
Musburger,

Tiger Woods, by the end of his career, will be the greatest player in sports history...

can we agree that golf is a sport? Or did I open up another can of beans?
 
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#263
VOLS85 said:
Musburger,

Tiger Woods, by the end of his career, will be the greatest player in sports history...

can we agree that golf is a sport? Or did I open up another can of beans?
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Musburger does get under my skin. I believe that due to the competition,Woods is already the best. If he can stay healthy, he will pass Jack in every category.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
longest drive is a ludicrous stat, period.

Ask the big boys who has the most pop out there and you might get a mixed ser of answers, but many, many will tell you it's tiger.

Don't know how much swing stuff you know, but Tiger has actually decreased the lag in his swing and cut down his yardage substantially, but still hits it as long as everyone out there. If he wants to stomp a 3 wood, he can fly the thing past 300 yds.

For reference, Tiger hit a sharply uphill 260 yd 2 iron on a par 5 and Johnny Miller's only comment was "and folks, there's a shot that Tiger has, that nobody else on tour can hit." He was exactly right.
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C'mon BP, the whole driving issue was entirely in response to things you had posted on the subject. His average is (and has been) shorter than others on tour and his longest is (and has been) shorter than others on tour. Anything else is anecdotal. And since we are now downplaying the importance of driving distance let me point out I specifically cited it was his incredible skills in the other areas that truly set him apart from his peers. In fact, it was precisely this contention that was central to my point that driving the ball (and the inferred athleticism attributed to that act) is in fact a poor indicator of how good a golfer one is, tour pro or otherwise.

Even more confusing is that you're coming across like you feel a need to defend Tiger from me. I think he will, barring injury or loss of desire, become universally regarded as the best to ever play the game. Many already feel this way. I find the guy amazing at his craft but I'm not going to bestow him attributes beyond he has actually demonstrated.

I'll leave with this golf observation:

Billy Joe Tolliver, a former NFL quarterback and one of the top players on the celebrity tour at plus-1.5, draws a distinction between being an athlete and making an athletic move, and he adds a spicy comparison. "Swinging the club is certainly an athletic movement, but you don't have to be an athlete to do it,'' says Tolliver, who, like all the jocks we talked to, has the highest regard for tour players. "Golf is like sex: You don't have to be an athlete to do it. And you don't have to be good at it to enjoy it.''
 
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#267
VOLS85 said:
Musburger,

Tiger Woods, by the end of his career, will be the greatest player in sports history...

can we agree that golf is a sport? Or did I open up another can of beans?
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I've had the "sport/not a sport" conversation so many times over the years that at some point I just threw my hands up in the air and decided that any distinction you draw is arbitrary. As far as I'm concerned, it's _all_ a sport, from darts to auto racing to Olympic weightlifting. The only thing I feel sure of is that anything that claims to be a sport ought to be based on completely objective criteria -- i.e., no judging. Judging = art. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not the same thing as sport.

(There's only one glaring weakness with that criterion -- ski jumping. These guys have enormous clanging brass balls, and IMO what they're doing is clearly a sport. But there's this whole "form" component -- bleah bleah bleah. Rather than throw the hypothesis out, though, I'd argue that it's a flaw in evaluating ski jumping itself, which clearly should be based on only one clean, shining thing -- how far did you go? Form is for sissies. Bah.)

And I don't know about Tiger being the "greatest player in sports history." Even if you want to set all team sports aside, I don't know that he's ever going to do anything that beats seven Tours de France in a row.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I've had the "sport/not a sport" conversation so many times over the years that at some point I just threw my hands up in the air and decided that any distinction you draw is arbitrary. As far as I'm concerned, it's _all_ a sport, from darts to auto racing to Olympic weightlifting. The only thing I feel sure of is that anything that claims to be a sport ought to be based on completely objective criteria -- i.e., no judging. Judging = art. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's not the same thing as sport.

(There's only one glaring weakness with that criterion -- ski jumping. These guys have enormous clanging brass balls, and IMO what they're doing is clearly a sport. But there's this whole "form" component -- bleah bleah bleah. Rather than throw the hypothesis out, though, I'd argue that it's a flaw in evaluating ski jumping itself, which clearly should be based on only one clean, shining thing -- how far did you go? Form is for sissies. Bah.)

And I don't know about Tiger being the "greatest player in sports history." Even if you want to set all team sports aside, I don't know that he's ever going to do anything that beats seven Tours de France in a row.
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or 73 Home Runs since we're talking about guys that were juicing, now.
 
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#269
golf is more of a sport than gymnastics or figure skating. to say golf isn't a sport is just crazy. whats the difference between chipping and shooting a free throw. both take a certain amount of touch, just has a bunt, or a fade pass in the corner of the endzone or a backstroke down the line. sports isn't all bout running fast or lifting a bunch
 
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#270
How about a distinction between "athletic sport", and "non-athletic sport."

Example: athletic sport=basketball

non-athletic sport=nascar
 
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joevol320 said:
golf is more of a sport than gymnastics or figure skating. to say golf isn't a sport is just crazy. whats the difference between chipping and shooting a free throw. both take a certain amount of touch, just has a bunt, or a fade pass in the corner of the endzone or a backstroke down the line. sports isn't all bout running fast or lifting a bunch
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You can't be serious with this comment. I mean don't get me wrong i think golf is a sport and they are athletes but gymnastics is all about athleticisim. Have you ever watched the olympics and seen how the girls/guys are put together? Those are world class athletes!
 
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mcompton said:
<laughing my ass off>...the summer is so slow that we are arguing whether or not golfers are athletes???...While they may not have been 20 yrs ago...Tiger changed that, which is why most golfers (that want to continue to compete) have changed their training habits. BPV, I'm a 4.3 handicap, and will offer my services as a caddie if you want to take TennesseeT out for a whippin...you people kill me...
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Actually, Greg Norman changed it. He was the first one to work out agressively and completely change his body shape. Not that he was in bad shape when he first made the scene, just took working out to a new level...this was while the Tiger was in high school.
 
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hndog609 said:
C'mon BP, the whole driving issue was entirely in response to things you had posted on the subject. His average is (and has been) shorter than others on tour and his longest is (and has been) shorter than others on tour. Anything else is anecdotal. And since we are now downplaying the importance of driving distance let me point out I specifically cited it was his incredible skills in the other areas that truly set him apart from his peers. In fact, it was precisely this contention that was central to my point that driving the ball (and the inferred athleticism attributed to that act) is in fact a poor indicator of how good a golfer one is, tour pro or otherwise.

Even more confusing is that you're coming across like you feel a need to defend Tiger from me. I think he will, barring injury or loss of desire, become universally regarded as the best to ever play the game. Many already feel this way. I find the guy amazing at his craft but I'm not going to bestow him attributes beyond he has actually demonstrated.

I'll leave with this golf observation:

Billy Joe Tolliver, a former NFL quarterback and one of the top players on the celebrity tour at plus-1.5, draws a distinction between being an athlete and making an athletic move, and he adds a spicy comparison. "Swinging the club is certainly an athletic movement, but you don't have to be an athlete to do it,'' says Tolliver, who, like all the jocks we talked to, has the highest regard for tour players. "Golf is like sex: You don't have to be an athlete to do it. And you don't have to be good at it to enjoy it.''
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The driving stats do not identify the longest player on the tour. They identify the long hitter who hits driver most often and goes at it hardest most often. I don't want to downplay them because the guy who leads that list is clearly a bomber, but the guys on tour will almost universally tell you that Tiger is the longest out there, when he wants to be.

I wasn't diminishing driving distance at all because it's a huge determinant to success in the modern game, but I am absolutely diminishing driving statistics. Putting stats are the same way. The guy with the best stats is probably a great putter, but he can't putt like Tiger I guarantee you. The driving stats are what they are and are an average measure that means nearly nothing, especially when they don't identify the guy with the most pop.
 
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Tennessee Golfer said:
I want to see if everyone agrees on the worst or most hated ESPN analyst.

Mine personally is Brent Musberger. I couldn't stand to listen to him during last years Cal game because of the ridiculous stuff that comes out of his mouth. He kept pokin fun at the SEC every time Cal scored.
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Brent: "There he is folks, there he is......Tedd......Ginn.....Senior.....What a character"

Announcer B: "Yea he was good, but I'm pretty sure his son is doing some big things today also Brent."

I remember laughing at that for about 15 mins.
 
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