Nate Peterman

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de3cls said:
What if Dobbs beats them out? Could happen if he's as (football) intelligent as they say he is, and mobile. Should be an exciting fall camp.
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If that happens that means we will have amazing season !! Worley is a good QB !! He is a prolific passer and if he gets beat by a new kid, then it is a good problem to have
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Do me a favor and tell me the names of the QBs that had been on campus at least a season, like peterman and worley, when Dooley arrived?? Thx.
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This wasn't a discussion about the conditions Dooley was left. You defined the discussion around the QB condition that Dooley left. I corrected you by stating facts. He left two QBs. One with a wasted redshirt and almost no experience. One RS Freshman with no experience.

That's it. Nothing else. Nada.

You're welcome.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
This wasn't a discussion about the conditions Dooley was left. You defined the discussion around the QB condition that Dooley left. I corrected you by stating facts. He left two QBs. One with a wasted redshirt and almost no experience. One RS Freshman with no experience.

That's it. Nothing else. Nada.

You're welcome.
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Worley's RS was not a waste if he puts his playing/starting experience to good use.... and two QB's who have been on campus for 2 and 3 years is STILL better than what Dooley inherited... which was nothing... Nada.... PERIOD.
 
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sjt18 said:
Worley's RS was not a waste if he puts his playing/starting experience to good use.... and two QB's who have been on campus for 2 and 3 years is STILL better than what Dooley inherited... which was nothing... Nada.... PERIOD.
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Didn't Dools inherit Bray? Just sayin
 
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If Worely is our starter then i will be severely dissappointed...he just doesn't have anything close to the it factor....

say what you will about Bray, but you could see the natural talent in him as a true freshmen as soon as he took the field against SC after that first interception....i haven't seen any inkling of anything like that from
Worely...just no spark at all.....

he posted gaudy numbers in HS in a gimmicky system...BIG DEAL...he is the HS version of that former Hawaii QB, Colt Brennan and is not an SEC level QB....the best we can do is hope for Peterman or Dobbs to be legit...

Peterman's gametape looks much more impressive than Worely's.....from a talent perspective....he has an arm almost as good as Bray but with a much better attitude and football IQ judging on comments made by the previous staff and Chaney...imagine a much more mature version of Bray who is also mobile...that scary to think about...we can only hope..
 
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KBVol said:
Didn't Dools inherit Bray? Just sayin
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Who was a true freshman at the time, and with the other scholarship QB being Simms who had already failed to impress at Louisville and was not highly sought after coming out of JUCO. The only way Dooley could have left it in a worse situation than when he arrived is if Dobbs absolutely had to start from day 1 this year.
 
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Do we possibly have the overall #1 QB unit in the country that is totally unproven?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
This wasn't a discussion about the conditions Dooley was left. You defined the discussion around the QB condition that Dooley left. I corrected you by stating facts. He left two QBs. One with a wasted redshirt and almost no experience. One RS Freshman with no experience.

That's it. Nothing else. Nada.

You're welcome.
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Just want to make sure you know that i know you got schooled by the sjt's comment below. :dance2:

I made a comment that was all fact and you thought you would come after me like you like to do. It was clear you didn't understand my comment but blew your top anyway. Nice life you got.

sjt18 said:
Worley's RS was not a waste if he puts his playing/starting experience to good use.... and two QB's who have been on campus for 2 and 3 years is STILL better than what Dooley inherited... which was nothing... Nada.... PERIOD.
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Thanks sjt! :hi:

vol2013 said:
Who was a true freshman at the time, and with the other scholarship QB being Simms who had already failed to impress at Louisville and was not highly sought after coming out of JUCO. The only way Dooley could have left it in a worse situation than when he arrived is if Dobbs absolutely had to start from day 1 this year.
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Glad there is someone else on here that gets it. :hi: The fact that only bray and Simms were left shows how much we have improved at the position the last few yrs. I'd take a National Gatorade POY with some playing experience and a kid like Peterman in a QB battle in the spring over not having a battle at all like its been the last few springs in knoxville.

Worley I think should be 1a, but it will be nice to have Peterman nipping on his heals to push him. Dooley didn't have that for bray and bray clearly took advantage of it.

IMHO of course...
 
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sjt18 said:
Worley's RS was not a waste if he puts his playing/starting experience to good use.... and two QB's who have been on campus for 2 and 3 years is STILL better than what Dooley inherited... which was nothing... Nada.... PERIOD.
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It was a waste to throw him in as a desperation move. I was all for CDD until last season. But when that happened, even I had to scratch my head.

I haven't compared the QB situation left by CDD to what he inherited. I responded to this sentence:

"Glad Dooley left CBJ in really really god shape at this position."

It is more than a stretch to consider what we have at the QB position "really really [good]." The previous staff severely mismanaged our QBs and didn't recruit/retain/plan to leave us a full stable or any quality experience.

I usually agree with you sjt and respect your positions. We can agree to disagree.

:hi:
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Just want to make sure you know that i know you got schooled by the sjt's comment below. :dance2:
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I don't see it that way, but in any even. Um... OK...

Comments like the above are why people around here accuse you of melodrama and an over-developed sense of importance. Discussions don't have to be a competition, nor a ring-of-fire death match.

Oskie Volum said:
I made a comment that was all fact and you thought you would come after me like you like to do. It was clear you didn't understand my comment but blew your top anyway. Nice life you got.
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You made a comment that was all opinion, actually. You said CDD left a "really really god" QB situation. I disagreed and posted facts that would indicate otherwise.

LOL at "blowing my top", and "coming after you". Melodrama much?


Oskie Volum said:
Thanks sjt! :hi:
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SJT is a quality poster that I respect.


Oskie Volum said:
Glad there is someone else on here that gets it. :hi: The fact that only bray and Simms were left shows how much we have improved at the position the last few yrs. I'd take a National Gatorade POY with some playing experience and a kid like Peterman in a QB battle in the spring over not having a battle at all like its been the last few springs in knoxville.

Worley I think should be 1a, but it will be nice to have Peterman nipping on his heals to push him. Dooley didn't have that for bray and bray clearly took advantage of it.

IMHO of course...
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I agree with the above statement. However, it is still not a "really really god" situation that CDD left. We had two scholarship QBs, neither with notable experience.

If you would like to rephrase and say that CDD improved the situation, I can agree with you. But the use of comparison does not make the situation CDD left behind "really really god".
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I don't see it that way, but in any even. Um... OK...

Comments like the above are why people around here accuse you of melodrama and an over-developed sense of importance. Discussions don't have to be a competition, nor a ring-of-fire death match.


You made a comment that was all opinion, actually. You said CDD left a "really really god" QB situation. I disagreed and posted facts that would indicate otherwise.

LOL at "blowing my top", and "coming after you". Melodrama much?




SJT is a quality poster that I respect.




I agree with the above statement. However, it is still not a "really really god" situation that CDD left. We had two scholarship QBs, neither with notable experience.

If you would like to rephrase and say that CDD improved the situation, I can agree with you. But the use of comparison does not make the situation CDD left behind "really really god".
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Compared to where we were we r in a WAY better situation at the position imo. We went from having QBs with no SEC experience to having 1 and another that has been coached at the level some. He was also someone CBJ wanted. I know u think the Worleys red-shirt was mismanaged but look at how much better we feel that he has gotten the experience he has had. If Bray would have stayed then yes we can argue it but Worley has 2 yrs to become a solid QB. And leaving Peterman with 3 yrs. May have been done on purpose just to have the space between them and to seal him up on the recruiting trail.

Imo everyday fans don't understand the how recruiting goes other than the basics. They don't see the strategies behind it. U say Dooley didn't recruit at the position of QB well but I say he did. Why? Because he picked up solid talent all 3 yrs at the position. There are just so many schollys to hand out each year. He couldn't afford to drop a bunch of schollys on the position because he needed to use them to help fill all the needs that he had. Needs that were left him. He got solid talent at QB with the 1 he could afford to give the position each year. The other schollys needed to be spread around at all positions. He was never allowed to get to the pt where he could load up on one position cause others were loaded. That takes time to build from scratch. CBJ isn't having to worry about that as much as Dooley did.

Just imho of course...
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Compared to where we were we r in a WAY better situation at the position imo. We went from having QBs with no SEC experience to having 1 and another that has been coached at the level some. He was also someone CBJ wanted. I know u think the Worleys red-shirt was mismanaged but look at how much better we feel that he has gotten the experience he has had. If Bray would have stayed then yes we can argue it but Worley has 2 yrs to become a solid QB. And leaving Peterman with 3 yrs. May have been done on purpose just to have the space between them and to seal him up on the recruiting trail.

Imo everyday fans don't understand the how recruiting goes other than the basics. They don't see the strategies behind it. U say Dooley didn't recruit at the position of QB well but I say he did. Why? Because he picked up solid talent all 3 yrs at the position. There are just so many schollys to hand out each year. He couldn't afford to drop a bunch of schollys on the position because he needed to use them to help fill all the needs that he had. Needs that were left him. He got solid talent at QB with the 1 he could afford to give the position each year. The other schollys needed to be spread around at all positions. He was never allowed to get to the pt where he could load up on one position cause others were loaded. That takes time to build from scratch. CBJ isn't having to worry about that as much as Dooley did.

Just imho of course...
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All you ever do on here is choke on the D.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Compared to where we were we r in a WAY better situation at the position imo...
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When Dooley started we had Simms as a redshirt junior with no SEC experience and a true freshman in Bray with no SEC experience.

Now, we have a true junior in Worley with a total of 14 minutes SEC experience and a redshirt freshman in Peterman with no SEC experience.

I think way better might be a bit of an overstatement.
 
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Would rather see Peterman or even Dobbs start the first game than Worely...Peterman because he might be really good or at least good and Dobbs because he would set up us as good in the near future.........I am just not seeing the talent with Worely....he looks to be nothing more than a game managing QB and our running game and defense is not good enough to have simply a game managing QB...we need a gamebreaker at QB.....Worely will never be a gamebreaker from what i have seen.
 
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I still think Worley will surprise us this year regardless of how he played the last couple years.
 
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KPT_VOL said:
When Dooley started we had Simms as a redshirt junior with no SEC experience and a true freshman in Bray with no SEC experience.

Now, we have a true junior in Worley with a total of 14 minutes SEC experience and a redshirt freshman in Peterman with no SEC experience.

I think way better might be a bit of an overstatement.
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This. IMHO, there really isn't a better argument any way you look at it. I can buy into the idea that CBJ inherited more talent at the QB position than CDD did. However, neither coach inherited anywhere near what would be considered an ideal QB situation. No SEC game experience at QB for either coach. But there is loads of talent at QB on the current roster and the ceiling is unlimited. It is indeed a very exciting time in Knoxville and things are definitely looking up. Here's to an exciting spring and a good ol' fashioned QB battle. I think there is cause for cautious optimism as CBJ enters season 1. I'm VERY excited for UT football for the first time in a while...feels great!!! GO VOLS!!!
 
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At this point i would rate them as follows:

1. Worley- He may have been a "system" QB giving him those inflated stats but he does have live game experience. Unless he just has a terrible spring he should win the job.

2. Peterman- Would have to play lights out this spring to win the job.

3a. Dobbs
3b. Ferguson

Anything other that redshirts for both of these 2 means Worley and Peterman both didnt get the job done or one of them got injured.
 
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