Nate Peterman

When Dooley started we had Simms as a redshirt junior with no SEC experience and a true freshman in Bray with no SEC experience.

Now, we have a true junior in Worley with a total of 14 minutes SEC experience and a redshirt freshman in Peterman with no SEC experience.

I think way better might be a bit of an overstatement.

This is just speculation on my part, so take it with a grain of salt, but... It may be worth consideration that the way that CDD got Worley the experience may have done more damage than good. The desperation move of throwing him in against Bama, to get his eyes beat out, may have done more to hurt his confidence than help with experience.
 
At this point i would rate them as follows:

1. Worley- He may have been a "system" QB giving him those inflated stats but he does have live game experience. Unless he just has a terrible spring he should win the job.

Every QB is a system QB. While I understand what you are getting at, I hate that false stigma. Worley is a quality QB with a lot of talent, and it would not surprise me to see him excel at this level.

2. Peterman- Would have to play lights out this spring to win the job.

I personally believe that each QB is starting fresh, since CBJ has said that every member of the team is starting with a blank slate. If Peterman shows that he gives even a slightly better chance of winning, he will start.

3a. Dobbs
3b. Ferguson

Anything other that redshirts for both of these 2 means Worley and Peterman both didnt get the job done or one of them got injured.

CBJ knows the value of redshirts. There would have to be major failure with the upper classmen for either true freshmen to start. Or, there would have to be major fireworks from a freshman to start.
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All you ever do on here is choke on the D.

Ok bud :good!:

When Dooley started we had Simms as a redshirt junior with no SEC experience and a true freshman in Bray with no SEC experience.

Now, we have a true junior in Worley with a total of 14 minutes SEC experience and a redshirt freshman in Peterman with no SEC experience.

I think way better might be a bit of an overstatement.

We r going to have to agree to disagree. Simms was tough don't get me wrong and honestly IMO I think the guy got thrown to the wolves and was not able to develop enough to get things going. So he was tough, and I just leave it at that cause don't know if his talents were ever able to truly come out due to the situation at hand.

I see Worley and peterman being on campus and practicing and building bonds with the current players on the team to be a situation that is worth a lot more than some want to think. I value that more than having 2 QBs that haven't been on campus and not having an older QB to take them under thier wing to mentor. And then throw in the fact that the head coach is new. CBJ is new but he has older QBs to help develop his new recruits. Not just to develop them football wise but teach them about college and campus life. IMHO and I repeat IMHO...this is very helpful and a place I'm happy we are in cause IMHO it's way better than not being in the position.
 
This is just speculation on my part, so take it with a grain of salt, but... It may be worth consideration that the way that CDD got Worley the experience may have done more damage than good. The desperation move of throwing him in against Bama, to get his eyes beat out, may have done more to hurt his confidence than help with experience.

It is speculative and you should wait to to hear it from him not just think it would hurt his confidence just because it would hurt yours. If he's a true competitor he takes it and learns from it. Makes him better. If it hurt his confidence than he will be past over by someone else and that's no ones fault but his.

Might be speculative on my part but....I don't think it hurt his confidence a single bit but made him better.
 
It is speculative and you should wait to to hear it from him not just think it would hurt his confidence just because it would hurt yours. If he's a true competitor he takes it and learns from it. Makes him better. If it hurt his confidence than he will be past over by someone else and that's no ones fault but his.

Might be speculative on my part but....I don't think it hurt his confidence a single bit but made him better.

I thought you didn't want to talk to me anymore?

At lest I'm not basing an entire argument on the speculation that the AD strong-armed the DC hire. Are you really the person that needs to caution people on the use of speculation?

You're a trip, guy.
 
I thought you didn't want to talk to me anymore?

At lest I'm not basing an entire argument on the speculation that the AD strong-armed the DC hire. Are you really the person that needs to caution people on the use of speculation?

You're a trip, guy.

Sorry darlin but I gave u an opportunity to get me to ignore u. U keep it up and its no long on the table.

The DC hire speculation is different than speculating the way Worley "feels". The DC hire is something that has been discussed and is a very real possibility.

Now ur assumption that Worley took his playing time negatively is based on ur personal feelings of the situation if u were in his shoes. If I were to assume by putting myself in his shoes I would have learned from it and helped my confidence. Not be weak and feel it hurt me.

Dooley didn't put Worley in without the safety of having someone else to come in. Which is different when failing when u r the only option and all people have to depend on. I think Dooley did it right to help his development.

Just imho of course...
 
Sorry darlin but I gave u an opportunity to get me to ignore u. U keep it up and its no long on the table.

The DC hire speculation is different than speculating the way Worley "feels". The DC hire is something that has been discussed and is a very real possibility.

Now ur assumption that Worley took his playing time negatively is based on ur personal feelings of the situation if u were in his shoes. If I were to assume by putting myself in his shoes I would have learned from it and helped my confidence. Not be weak and feel it hurt me.

Dooley didn't put Worley in without the safety of having someone else to come in. Which is different when failing when u r the only option and all people have to depend on. I think Dooley did it right to help his development.

Just imho of course...


I truly feel you need to seek mental help.
 
Every QB is a system QB. While I understand what you are getting at, I hate that false stigma. Worley is a quality QB with a lot of talent, and it would not surprise me to see him excel at this level.

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He is a talented QB and i look for him to have a good last 2 years if he clicks with his WR's but while putting up insane numbers in HS why wasn't he rated higher by the supposed "experts" like rivals and scout? Was the level of competition inferior? Did he pad his stats in blowouts when he should have been taken out after his team had a huge lead? Or do the "experts" not always get it right? Im suspecting the truth falls somewhere inbetween.
 
He is a talented QB and i look for him to have a good last 2 years if he clicks with his WR's but while putting up insane numbers in HS why wasn't he rated higher by the supposed "experts" like rivals and scout? Was the level of competition inferior? Did he pad his stats in blowouts when he should have been taken out after his team had a huge lead? Or do the "experts" not always get it right? Im suspecting the truth falls somewhere inbetween.

I don't know why he wasn't a big deal out of HS. But what I do know is his HS rival had Clowney and he wasn't scared and put some big #s up when he played him.
 
And here we go again. U insult cause u are incapable of understanding my pov.

That wasn't intended as an insult; it was a legitimate statement.

You have ignored rational, logical, point-by-point discussions since I've started discourse with you. You've conducted yourself in such a way that you've offered little more than paranoid, delusional, megalomaniacal drivel.

I am not seeking to insult you. I am trying to step out of the way of your paranoid babbling. When a paranoid delusional with an overly-inflated sense of importance begins to call me "darling" and make "you keep it up..." statements, I realize it's a lost cause and time to distance myself.

However, I will try one last time to offer you a rational response, again trying to go point by point.


Sorry darlin but I gave u an opportunity to get me to ignore u. U keep it up and its no long on the table.

You are getting creepy. Seriously. Step back and find some context.

As far as I can remember, I haven't responded to anything you've said since inviting me to ignore you. But instead, you pick an internet argument with me over a post to someone else, and that I qualified with "This is speculation, take with a grain of salt."

Get a grip buddy.

The DC hire speculation is different than speculating the way Worley "feels". The DC hire is something that has been discussed and is a very real possibility.

The moon landing conspiracy has been widely discusses also. It doesn't add to the theory's credence. The possibility that Worley may have had his confidence shaken has been discussed. That neither adds to, nor takes away from, its validity.

The idea that the DC decision was strong armed by the AD is nothing more than speculation that you have relied on in your defense of CDD. The only difference between that and my speculation per Worley is as follows:

I admitted from the beginning that it was speculation and should be taken with a grain of salt. Instead, you ignored that part and a made huge deal over a minor point that I don't even really care about in the first place.

Now ur assumption that Worley took his playing time negatively is based on ur personal feelings of the situation if u were in his shoes. If I were to assume by putting myself in his shoes I would have learned from it and helped my confidence. Not be weak and feel it hurt me.

Cool. We're both speculating... Just like you speculated about the AD making the DC decision and forcing it on CDD.


Dooley didn't put Worley in without the safety of having someone else to come in. Which is different when failing when u r the only option and all people have to depend on. I think Dooley did it right to help his development.

Cool. We've both stated that we're both speculating. Why is this such a huge deal to you?

Just imho of course...

Cool. We've both stated that we're both speculating. Why is this such a huge deal to you?

I am seriously imploring you, OV. Step back and get some context. You are presenting yourself as an unhinged online presence. Take a breath, gain some perspective, and chill the hell out.
 
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Funny how so many people just throw Worley in the dumpster. He should be the leader heading into camp. Someone will have to step up and take it away from him. We have 4 pretty good QB's it seems so I aint worried.

No way. New staff means everyone has to earn their spot and no favorites. I love that about this staff.
 
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We r going to have to agree to disagree.

On the contrary. I will discuss the matter as long as it entertains me to do so. I'm willing to bet you will not keep your end of the "agreement" either.

Simms was tough don't get me wrong and honestly IMO I think the guy got thrown to the wolves and was not able to develop enough to get things going. So he was tough, and I just leave it at that cause don't know if his talents were ever able to truly come out due to the situation at hand.

I'm assuming you are trying to tap dance around saying Simms was not a great QB. This is cruxt of my argument. We've not seen enough of Worley on an SEC field to know if he'll be any different. You're assuming he will; I'm not convinced (really hope he does well, though).

I see Worley and peterman being on campus and practicing and building bonds with the current players on the team to be a situation that is worth a lot more than some want to think.

Forming those releationships can be a great thing. Simm's formed some bonds during his two years with us, I'm sure. Those bonds didnt make him a great QB either. Bray was wildly inconsistent after three years of bonding.

I value that more than having 2 QBs that haven't been on campus and not having an older QB to take them under thier wing to mentor.

Bray was a very talented QB, but you can't be seriously trying to argue he spent his time mentoring the underclassmen.

And then throw in the fact that the head coach is new. CBJ is new but he has older QBs to help develop his new recruits. Not just to develop them football wise but teach them about college and campus life. IMHO and I repeat IMHO

Let me know if I get all of this...

The coach is new and bringing a new system. We have one quarterback with two years experience and one quarterback with one year experience in a defunct system, who will help teach a system they are unfamiliar with to new recruits. Additionally we will have a 20 year old and a 19 year old teach two 18 year olds about college, and life in general.

...this is very helpful and a place I'm happy we are in cause IMHO it's way better than not being in the position.

I guess having 2 QBs without experience in the SEC is better than having no QBs in the SEC without experience. Still doesnt make our situation ideal, or even favorable.
 
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Sorry darlin but I gave u an opportunity to get me to ignore u.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Oskie gave Orange an opportunity to get Oskie to ignore Orange.

Sorry, Orange, maybe if you tried to be less rational Oskie would have put you on ignore and ended this...debate.
 
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I don't know why he wasn't a big deal out of HS. But what I do know is his HS rival had Clowney and he wasn't scared and put some big #s up when he played him.

Correct - in his senior year ESPN game he threw 5 TD passes of various lengths and types in the second half alone and avoided being sacked by Clowney the whole time.

Posters discounting Worley are clueless.
 
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Facts are better than fiction except on VN.

Both Worley and Peterman ran many aspects of the Jones offense in HS as well as under Chaney. The zone read stuff is added by Jones when he has a QB that has that skillset. He uses a run first offense that uses a pro spread. The pass pattern combinations they use are somewhat different with an emphasis on short to intermediate timing routes. The O-line we have this year will enable the QB to have more time for some longer play action and deep routes. They may have to shorten them in 2014 with an inexperienced line. Chaney was more intermediate to long so that Tyler could improvise.
 
I'm pulling for Nate, but I'm a little prejudiced...LOL.

Hope to come up for a game sometime when he gets to start.

He is a smart kid and will work hard for ya'll.

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I'm pulling for Nate, but I'm a little prejudiced...LOL.

Hope to come up for a game sometime when he gets to start.

He is a smart kid and will work hard for ya'll.

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I think he has a chance. I'm pulling for whoever gives us the greatest chance to win, of course. I think we have enough talent to compete with one another and push one another to be their best.
 
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Correct - in his senior year ESPN game he threw 5 TD passes of various lengths and types in the second half alone

Worley put up some impressive numbers in highschool, but let's not pretend those numbers are his alone. South Point gave up six (6!!) turnovers that game. Worley's defense was just as responisble for that second half blowout as anyone.

and avoided being sacked by Clowney the whole time.

Posters discounting Worley are clueless.

This must be some of the fiction you were alluding to in your next post. Clowney had two sacks in that game. Even if Worley didnt get sacked, that makes a better statement for the left tackle than the QB.

Here are some more statistics since you seem to like facts:

Worley's stats thus far in his career are 110/63 att/comp with 1 TD and 5 INTs with an overal rating of 107.

There are more facts that lead me question his ability to play at this level of competition than there are which lead me to believe we are in a better position now than we were three years ago.

I hope Worley has a coming out party this year. I really do. I'm only saying that there are more similarities than differences between now and three years ago.
 
Worley put up some impressive numbers in highschool, but let's not pretend those numbers are his alone. South Point gave up six (6!!) turnovers that game. Worley's defense was just as responisble for that second half blowout as anyone.



This must be some of the fiction you were alluding to in your next post. Clowney had two sacks in that game. Even if Worley didnt get sacked, that makes a better statement for the left tackle than the QB.

Here are some more statistics since you seem to like facts:

Worley's stats thus far in his career are 110/63 att/comp with 1 TD and 5 INTs with an overal rating of 107.

There are more facts that lead me question his ability to play at this level of competition than there are which lead me to believe we are in a better position now than we were three years ago.

I hope Worley has a coming out party this year. I really do. I'm only saying that there are more similarities than differences between now and three years ago.



1 TD and 5 INTs is pathetic...i don't care if he was a true freshman when he did this...it's not good at all...Bray and any other talented prospects showed plenty of flashes of greatness...Worely has shown NOTHING.
 
1 TD and 5 INTs is pathetic...i don't care if he was a true freshman when he did this...it's not good at all...Bray and any other talented prospects showed plenty of flashes of greatness...Worely has shown NOTHING.

There is a huge difference between the situation Bray walked into and the situation Worley walked into. Bray was an EE and the 2nd string QB from day 1 that was expected to play at some point that year and got reps in practice as such. When he finally came in he got the easy part of our schedule with Moore, Jones, Hunter, Rogers, and Stocker as targets. Worley on the other hand is the 3rd string quarterback, and not getting many reps in practice. He then gets the Cotton Bowl champion and the Capital one bowl champion with Rogers pretty much being his only legitimate target. It is an apples to oranges comparison. I also wouldn't say that completing over 70% of your passes multiple times in your career is showing nothing.
 
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