NBA vs NCAA

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hatvol96 said:
How many NBA seasons did Michael Wilson or Stanley Asumnu log in the NBA? They're both more athletic than Trevor Ariza.
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Great, scouts still favor athleticism to shooting. BTW Asumnu plays in the D-League. If you wanna tell me an NBA scouts would rather have Lofton than Prince you are the one who has no idea what your talking about.

You wanna know why that is? BECAUSE A SHOT CAN BE CHANGED! YOU CANNOT TEACH ATHLETICISM!
 
#28
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hatvol96 said:
If scouts valued Ariza's athleticism so much more than Reddick's shooting, why did JJ get drafted about 30 spots higher than Trevor?
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Because JJ is the all time 3 point leader and Orlando was retarded. I remember people saying it was stupid when it happened but it was a risk they wanted to take. Who is better? You are only proving my point that athleticism is more important in the NBA.
Regardless, the whole point of bringing up Ariza was to prove shots can be fixed. A year or two removed from college hes becoming a much more reliable shooter.
 
#29
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Brewerw said:
If you wanna tell me an NBA scouts would rather have Lofton than Prince you are the one who has no idea what your talking about.
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If you want to tell me NBA scouts want either of those stiffs, you're clueless. Talked to no less than eight NBA scouts at various games on my trip this weekend. Not a sinlge one of them mentioned JP Prince when discussing Tennessee's personnel.
 
#30
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Brewerw said:
Because JJ is the all time 3 point leader and Orlando was retarded. I remember people saying it was stupid when it happened but it was a risk they wanted to take. Who is better? You are only proving my point that athleticism is more important in the NBA.
Regardless, the whole point of bringing up Ariza was to prove shots can be fixed. A year or two removed from college hes becoming a much more reliable shooter.
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You are being exceptionally dense. Ariza played a single season in college. If you ever actually talk to an NBA scout, they will tell you one of the first assumptions they make about players who have been in college three or four years is that their shot is a finished product. The reason for that? It's true.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As proven by Reddick being a lottery pick and Ariza being drafted in the second round, right?
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Um, all time leading scorer in ACC history versus a 1 year player who cant shoot. Ton's of people would have done it and I'm assuming the owner stepped in. Its just like Vince Young. Too great in college not to take a risk on. Who has proven better. In fact, Ariza is now within like 5% of JJ's 3 point shooting percentage.

I think Duke had to do with it too.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Indiana in '87 and Kentucky in '98 are the only teams in recent history to win an NCAA title without a player who went on to have a significant NBA career.
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Even those teams had NBA players on the court--Nazr Mohammed, Jamal Magloire, Scott Padgett, and Jeff Shepherd for UK, Steve Alford and Dean Garrett for the Hoosiers.
 
#33
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Brewerw said:
Um, all time leading scorer in ACC history versus a 1 year player who cant shoot. Ton's of people would have done it and I'm assuming the owner stepped in. Its just like Vince Young. Too great in college not to take a risk on. Who has proven better. In fact, Ariza is now within like 5% of JJ's 3 point shooting percentage.

I think Duke had to do with it too.
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You're the one babbling as if you know what scouts are looking for. The best indicia of what they are looking for is where players are drafted. Hence, you managed to pick two players as examples who serve to invalidate your premise.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You are being exceptionally dense. Ariza played a single season in college. If you ever actually talk to an NBA scout, they will tell you one of the first assumptions they make about players who have been in college three or four years is that their shot is a finished product. The reason for that? It's true.
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Look I am not saying that Price will be great. His shot sucks... I totally agree. That will hurt him, I agree with that too.
All I am saying is his athleticism alone will get him a shot. Will he be good, NO. Will he get a shot? YES!
This is pointless!
 
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cotton said:
Even those teams had NBA players on the court--Nazr Mohammed, Jamal Magloire, Scott Padgett, and Jeff Shepherd for UK, Steve Alford and Dean Garrett for the Hoosiers.
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That's stretching the definition of "NBA players" to the snapping point.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You're the one babbling as if you know what scouts are looking for. The best indicia of what they are looking for is where players are drafted. Hence, you managed to pick two players as examples who serve to invalidate your premise.
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No, JJ was picked because he was a media darling and a fan favorite. He has proven to suck in the nba which actually proves my point.
Throw adam Morrison in there too. It wasn't a scouting report that got him taken that high. It was his NCAA leading 3 point shooter and ACC all time leading scorer status. Please stop this pointless crap. Athleticism > Shooting. You are being ignorant. I'm done with this. I know its true regardless of you acceptance or not.
 
#37
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Brewerw said:
No, JJ was picked because he was a media darling and a fan favorite. He has proven to suck in the nba which actually proves my point.
Throw adam Morrison in there too. It wasn't a scouting report that got him taken that high. It was his NCAA leading 3 point shooter and ACC all time leading scorer status. Please stop this pointless crap. Athleticism > Shooting. You are being ignorant. I'm done with this. I know its true regardless of you acceptance or not.
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You're stupid enough to think NBA scouts and GMs make decisions based on college hype and you call someone else ignorant? That's rich. What you "know" that is of value couldn't fill a thimble.
 
#39
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Brewerw said:
No, JJ was picked because he was a media darling and a fan favorite. He has proven to suck in the nba which actually proves my point.
Throw adam Morrison in there too. It wasn't a scouting report that got him taken that high. It was his NCAA leading 3 point shooter and ACC all time leading scorer status. Please stop this pointless crap. Athleticism > Shooting. You are being ignorant. I'm done with this. I know its true regardless of you acceptance or not.
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Agreed
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's stretching the definition of "NBA players" to the snapping point.
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It defines it as players who made an NBA roster. It is hard to call Shepherd an NBA player with a straight face, but Magloire has spent 8 years in the league, Mohammed 10, Padgett 7, Garrett 7 (after playing in Europe,) and Alford 4.

None of them are stars, but both of those teams had players talented enough to stick on NBA rosters.
 
#41
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Brewerw said:
No, JJ was picked because he was a media darling and a fan favorite. He has proven to suck in the nba which actually proves my point.
Throw adam Morrison in there too. It wasn't a scouting report that got him taken that high. It was his NCAA leading 3 point shooter and ACC all time leading scorer status. Please stop this pointless crap. Athleticism > Shooting. You are being ignorant. I'm done with this. I know its true regardless of you acceptance or not.
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True...shooters are only taken high when they are among college basketball's leading scorers. Athleticism is much more important in the NBA.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Explaining the high draft picks used on guys like Derrick Gervin, Kevin Houston, Tony White, ...
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Derrick Gervin (born March 28, 1963 in Detroit, Michigan) is a retired American professional basketball player.

A 6'8" forward from University of Texas at San Antonio (UTSA), Gervin was selected by the Philadelphia 76ers in the 4th round (20th pick, 90th overall) of the 1985 NBA Draft.
 
#45
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hatvol96 said:
You're stupid enough to think NBA scouts and GMs make decisions based on college hype and you call someone else ignorant? That's rich. What you "know" that is of value couldn't fill a thimble.
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Ummm ya, and do you watch sports? Vince Young had everything to do with the owner and nothing to do with the coaching staff. Norm Chow literally jumped on the table trying to tell people not to draft Young. If your dumb enough to think college hype doesn't play into beign drafted you are ignorant.

Think about that UK team you mentioned. They wouldn't have made it without the NC.
 
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VKAman said:
Derrick Gervin (born March 28, 1963 in Detroit, Michigan) is a retired American professional basketball player.

A 6'8" forward from University of Texas at San Antonio (UTSA), Gervin was selected by the Philadelphia 76ers in the 4th round (20th pick, 90th overall) of the 1985 NBA Draft.
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90th is a high pick? You know what that makes you now? An undrafted free agent.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Explaining the high draft picks used on guys like Derrick Gervin, Kevin Houston, Tony White, ...
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I said "when they are among college basketball's leading scorers." Remember that.

1987 SI article on Kevin Houston:
All That He Can Be
Sharpshooter Kevin Houston may look like a toy soldier, but he is the leading scorer in major-college basketball

AND HE STILL WAS NOT A FIRST ROUND PICK.
 
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#50
VKAman said:
White was selected by the Chicago Bulls with the 10th pick in the 2nd round of the 1987 NBA Draft.
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Wow, the whole second round. I guess that's an improvement over 90th. How much guaranteed money does being drafted in the second round get you today? Exactly $0.
 
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