NBA vs NCAA

#51
#51
hatvol96 said:
Wow, the whole second round. I guess that's an improvement over 90th. How much guaranteed money does being drafted in the second round get you today? Exactly $0.
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again...shooters not valued...again...proving my point...
 
#52
#52
hatvol96 said:
You're stupid enough to think NBA scouts and GMs make decisions based on college hype and you call someone else ignorant? That's rich. What you "know" that is of value couldn't fill a thimble.
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Actually either way one of your points is being proven wrong. Either that UK was full of NBA players or "college hype" played into them being drafted.
 
#53
#53
VKAman said:
I said "when they are among college basketball's leading scorers." Remember that.

1987 SI article on Kevin Houston:
All That He Can Be
Sharpshooter Kevin Houston may look like a toy soldier, but he is the leading scorer in major-college basketball

AND HE STILL WAS NOT A FIRST ROUND PICK.
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No, you're the one who said guys are drafted because they are great college scorers. I simply gave a list of guys who prove raw college numbers are useless.
 
#54
#54
Brewerw said:
Ummm ya, and do you watch sports? Vince Young had everything to do with the owner and nothing to do with the coaching staff. Norm Chow literally jumped on the table trying to tell people not to draft Young. If your dumb enough to think college hype doesn't play into beign drafted you are ignorant.

Think about that UK team you mentioned. They wouldn't have made it without the NC.
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Which NBA team does Vince Young play for? Also, that National Title must have a hell of a shelf life. Magliore and Naz were playing in the NBA a decade after it happened. I guess the owners were trying to captialize on marketing guys playing in places like Toronto and San Antonio to all the UK fans in those areas.
 
#55
#55
hatvol96 said:
No, you're the one who said guys are drafted because they are great college scorers. I simply gave a list of guys who prove raw college numbers are useless.
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Actually your the one saying shooting is important. He said shooters are taken when they are among the leading scorers, and you are now further proving the point we are making that great college shooters have basically zero value in the NBA.
 
#56
#56
hatvol96 said:
No, you're the one who said guys are drafted because they are great college scorers. I simply gave a list of guys who prove raw college numbers are useless.
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I said that shooters were ONLY TAKEN HIGH IF they were among the nation's leading scorers. That is very different from saying that all leading scorers get drafted high.

More athletic players, on the other hand, do not necessarily have to put up huge numbers because the scouts value their athleticism in the NBA. Shooters have to prove that they can score despite their lack of athleticism usually. So they have to put up huge numbers to be drafted high, when athletic players just have to have decent ones. Therefore, the NBA values athleticism over shooting.
 
#58
#58
Brewerw said:
Actually either way one of your points is being proven wrong. Either that UK was full of NBA players or "college hype" played into them being drafted.
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I'm sorry. I forgot the level of intellect I was dealing with. The term "significant NBA players" was obviously too high minded a concept.
 
#59
#59
hatvol96 said:
Which NBA team does Vince Young play for? Also, that National Title must have a hell of a shelf life. Magliore and Naz were playing in the NBA a decade after it happened. I guess the owners were trying to captialize on marketing guys playing in places like Toronto and San Antonio to all the UK fans in those areas.
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Your completely twisting what I'm saying. College hype plays into people being picked. Also said that VY was a different sport but similar situation to Reddick. Reddick was on ESPN EVERY NIGHT his final season. He averaged like 30 a game or something. That def played into him being picked so high. He was a media darling.
 
#60
#60
VKAman said:
I said that shooters were ONLY TAKEN HIGH IF they were among the nation's leading scorers. That is very different from saying that all leading scorers get drafted high.

More athletic players, on the other hand, do not necessarily have to put up huge numbers because the scouts value their athleticism in the NBA. Shooters have to prove that they can score despite their lack of athleticism usually. So they have to put up huge numbers to be drafted high, when athletic players just have to have decent ones. Therefore, the NBA values athleticism over shooting.
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I love being told what people I talk to with regularity think by people who wouldn't know one of them if they walked up and slapped them.
 
#62
#62
vkaman said:
i said that shooters were only taken high if they were among the nation's leading scorers. That is very different from saying that all leading scorers get drafted high.

More athletic players, on the other hand, do not necessarily have to put up huge numbers because the scouts value their athleticism in the nba. Shooters have to prove that they can score despite their lack of athleticism usually. So they have to put up huge numbers to be drafted high, when athletic players just have to have decent ones. Therefore, the nba values athleticism over shooting.
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ca-ching!
 
#63
#63
Brewerw said:
Your completely twisting what I'm saying. College hype plays into people being picked. Also said that VY was a different sport but similar situation to Reddick. Reddick was on ESPN EVERY NIGHT his final season. He averaged like 30 a game or something. That def played into him being picked so high. He was a media darling.
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I guess that explains "media darling" Jameer Nelson being picked ten spots too low.
 
#64
#64
hatvol96 said:
I love being told what people I talk to with regularity think by people who wouldn't know one of them if they walked up and slapped them.
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How can you think that the NBA values shooting above things like athleticism when you watched Chris Lofton go undrafted last year...?
 
#65
#65
hatvol96 said:
I'm sorry. I forgot the level of intellect I was dealing with. The term "significant NBA players" was obviously too high minded a concept.
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Wow fantastic work, make fun of someones IQ because they disproved a stupid statement. Trust me, you don't wanna go down that road. I would take my test scores over yours any day.
 
#69
#69
VKAman said:
I said that shooters were ONLY TAKEN HIGH IF they were among the nation's leading scorers. That is very different from saying that all leading scorers get drafted high.

More athletic players, on the other hand, do not necessarily have to put up huge numbers because the scouts value their athleticism in the NBA. Shooters have to prove that they can score despite their lack of athleticism usually. So they have to put up huge numbers to be drafted high, when athletic players just have to have decent ones. Therefore, the NBA values athleticism over shooting.
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So a shooter can't be athletic? And an athletic guy can't be a shooter?
 
#70
#70
JZVOL said:
So a shooter can't be athletic? And an athletic guy can't be a shooter?
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They can definitely overlap, and I thought about that while I was writing that post. But when someone is overwhelmingly one or the other, athletic is usually better.
 
#72
#72
VKAman said:
How can you think that the NBA values shooting above things like athleticism when you watched Chris Lofton go undrafted last year...?
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Chris Lofton is an awful all around player who's too small to dream about getting his shot off at the NBA level and couldn't guard anyone drawing a check in that league. Also, what was his FG% last year? Further, since it's all about athleticism, when does Asumnu start getting his NBA money? Remind me how many all star games Michael Wilson played in? I can't believe Vegas Davis isn't pulling big NBA cash.
 
#74
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Brewerw said:
Your completely twisting what I'm saying. College hype plays into people being picked. Also said that VY was a different sport but similar situation to Reddick. Reddick was on ESPN EVERY NIGHT his final season. He averaged like 30 a game or something. That def played into him being picked so high. He was a media darling.
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GMs do not spend millions of dollars on a guy because he's a media darling.
 
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