NBA vs NCAA

#77
#77
VKAman said:
I said that shooters were ONLY TAKEN HIGH IF they were among the nation's leading scorers. That is very different from saying that all leading scorers get drafted high.

More athletic players, on the other hand, do not necessarily have to put up huge numbers because the scouts value their athleticism in the NBA. Shooters have to prove that they can score despite their lack of athleticism usually. So they have to put up huge numbers to be drafted high, when athletic players just have to have decent ones. Therefore, the NBA values athleticism over shooting.
Click to expand...
the NBA values those who will be most effective playing under the NBA's very unique set of rules. Steve Alford just happens not to be that guy.
 
#78
#78
VKAman said:
How can you think that the NBA values shooting above things like athleticism when you watched Chris Lofton go undrafted last year...?
Click to expand...

Because how many 6 foot two guards are playing right now? Lofton wouldn't be able to guard anyone and wouldn't be able to get a shot off.
 
#79
#79
Brewerw said:
No I am saying an athlete can become a shooter.
Click to expand...
Name one that played more than two seasons in college that did so after coming to the NBA. Since you watch so much NBA, I'd expect a list of about 50.
 
#80
#80
Brewerw said:
No I am saying an athlete can become a shooter ala nba scouts treasure athleticism over shooting.
Click to expand...
again. they treasure the ability to contribute at the NBA level under NBA rules. That generally has little to do with scoring at the NCAA level.
 
#81
#81
hatvol96 said:
Indiana in '87 and Kentucky in '98 are the only teams in recent history to win an NCAA title without a player who went on to have a significant NBA career.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

My memory is foggy, but how about the Villanova team that upset GTown? Ed Pinkney (sp?) played in the league - who am I forgetting?
 
#82
#82
hatvol96 said:
Chris Lofton is an awful all around player who's too small to dream about getting his shot off at the NBA level and couldn't guard anyone drawing a check in that league. Also, what was his FG% last year? Further, since it's all about athleticism, when does Asumnu start getting his NBA money? Remind me how many all star games Michael Wilson played in? I can't believe Vegas Davis isn't pulling big NBA cash.
Click to expand...

Once again proving the point that athleticism is valued more than shooting.
 
#84
#84
Brewerw said:
Once again proving the point that athleticism is valued more than shooting.
Click to expand...
No, it proves the NBA doesn't draft bad all around players who have an awful senior season and are too small to play the only position sutied to their skill set.
 
#87
#87
Brewerw said:
Once again proving the point that athleticism is valued more than shooting.
Click to expand...
Good job of not using the entire post. I still want to know how many NBA all star games Michael Wilson, probably the most freakishly athletic player of the 30 years, played in.
 
#88
#88
JZVOL said:
If a guy isn't a shooter by the time he's in his 20's it's likely to never happen.
Click to expand...

Oh please, Kobe Bryant threw up airballs his first few years. Lebron was a questionable shooter at best until this year. The list goes on. Kobe's jump shot has improved DRASTICALLY over the second half of his career. His is now potentially top 5 shooters in the nba.
 
#91
#91
Brewerw said:
Once again proving the point that athleticism is valued more than shooting.
Click to expand...

You saying this is like saying the NFL values athleticism over tackling. There are so many more factors other than he can shoot/tackle or he can't and he's athletic.

Most corners don't tackle well (Deon) but they don't need to. If your linebacker is athletic but can't tackle, that's a large problem.

Big Z for the Cavs is a very good shooter but is not athletic. Shaq is super athletic but not a shooter.

There are just so many factors about a teams needs and what a specific player can do that you can't say it's just about athleticism or shooting.
 
#92
#92
hatvol96 said:
What? Those are your examples? There isn't an NBA team in the league who won't give those guys jumpers all day long.
Click to expand...

Yea the mavricks did it in the finals and look how great that worked out. His 3pt % is nothing spectacular but hes got a sick mid range game.
Harris is becoming an incredible shooter and the star of the Nets. There are tons more as you said.
 
#93
#93
Brewerw said:
Yea the mavricks did it in the finals and look how great that worked out. His 3pt % is nothing spectacular but hes got a sick mid range game.
Harris is becoming an incredible shooter and the star of the Nets. There are tons more as you said.
Click to expand...
I didn't realize the foul line, where Wade did the majority of his damage in those Finals, constituted jump shots.
 
#94
#94
JZVOL said:
You saying this is like saying the NFL values athleticism over tackling. There are so many more factors other than he can shoot/tackle or he can't and he's athletic.

Most corners don't tackle well (Deon) but they don't need to. If your linebacker is athletic but can't tackle, that's a large problem.

Big Z for the Cavs is a very good shooter but is not athletic. Shaq is super athletic but not a shooter.

There are just so many factors about a teams needs and what a specific player can do that you can't say it's just about athleticism or shooting.
Click to expand...

Big Z is also 7 feet tall and old. He developed a shot. All I'm trying to say is that with practice just about anyone can become a good shooter, great no, but really good. You cannot teach people to be incredibly athletic. In accordance with your point athleticism is what allows you to be great at the other parts of the game. Lets see, on ball defense, ball handling, etc. All things that can be improved with practice.
 
Last edited:
#95
#95
hatvol96 said:
I didn't realize the foul line, where Wade did the majority of his damage in those Finals, constituted jump shots.
Click to expand...

yep your right hes leading the NBA is scoring without being able to shoot. :mega_shok:
 
#96
#96
Brewerw said:
Yea the mavricks did it in the finals and look how great that worked out. His 3pt % is nothing spectacular but hes got a sick mid range game.
Harris is becoming an incredible shooter and the star of the Nets. There are tons more as you said.
Click to expand...
"Incredible Shooter" Devin Harris= 44.2% from the field, 31.8% from 3.
 
#97
#97
hatvol96 said:
"Incredible Shooter" Devin Harris= 44.2% from the field, 31.8% from 3.
Click to expand...

You obviously watch the NBA... He's getting props left and right. I said he is becoming, as everyone does. People get better at shooting throughout their careers :crazy:
 
#98
#98
Brewerw said:
yep your right hes leading the NBA is scoring without being able to shoot. :mega_shok:
Click to expand...
Yeah, Wade's 28.0% from 3 indicates it's all about his jump shooting. It couldn't have anything to do with his ability to get to the rim and the free throw line.
 
#99
#99
Brewerw said:
You obviously watch the NBA... He's getting props left and right. I said he is becoming, as everyone does. People get better at shooting throughout their careers :crazy:
Click to expand...
Everyone? I forgot how plugged in you are to NBA scouts. Yeah, you're going to see everyone pushing out on Harris to take away the threat of him taking shots he makes with about 30% regularity and force him to drive.
 
#100
#100
Brewerw said:
Big Z is also 7 feet tall. All I'm trying to say is that with practice just about anyone can become a good shooter, great no, but really good. You cannot teach people to be incredibly athletic. In accordance with your point athleticism is what allows you to be great at the other parts of the game. Lets see, on ball defense, ball handling, etc. All things that can be improved with practice.
Click to expand...

Shaq's been practicing free throws for twenty years.

Michael Jordan was a great scorer but not a great shooter. Dwayne Wade is a scorer not a shooter.

John Stockton wasn't a great athlete (in comparison) but he turned out alright. Athleticism only goes so far.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top