‘23 NC WR Nathan Leacock (Tennessee)

[HoleInTheRoof]

Nah... 3* commits are never underrated or turn into great players...

Tillman
J Payton
V Jones
J Kelly
E Simmons
Jahmir Johnson
M Butler
T Jackson....

Tillman was the 246th WR according to 247. How does that look now?

There are a lot of good players out there. There are more great players stamped with 3* than 4/5* combined... if a coach can find them. The coach that turns UT around will be great at finding overlooked talent.

Sure there are good players everywhere. But all of them that commit to Tennessee - someone says is under rated and will be a four star. Like clockwork.

For every Tillman, there’s 10 jarrod means. For every Theo Jackson, there’s 10 Brandon Davis’.

Sometimes a kid is just a three star talent. Nothing wrong with that. We’re gonna have to build the core of this team with three stars until we can right the ship and change our reputation to todays recruits.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Nah... 3* commits are never underrated or turn into great players...

Tillman
J Payton
V Jones
J Kelly
E Simmons
Jahmir Johnson
M Butler
T Jackson....

Tillman was the 246th WR according to 247. How does that look now?

There are a lot of good players out there. There are more great players stamped with 3* than 4/5* combined... if a coach can find them. The coach that turns UT around will be great at finding overlooked talent.

Our staff turned Tillman’s production around in 1 year. This staff can coach players up, I think after this season more people will realize that. Everyone talking like well LSU will be better and Kentucky will still be tough. Well how about we will be better. Can’t wait for the season to start! GBO!

 

[Ericvol2096]

We still don’t have a date here right??

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

We still don’t have a date here right??

Sounds like most of you losers one week before Prom

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Nah... 3* commits are never underrated or turn into great players...

Tillman
J Payton
V Jones
J Kelly
E Simmons
Jahmir Johnson
M Butler
T Jackson....

Tillman was the 246th WR according to 247. How does that look now?

There are a lot of good players out there. There are more great players stamped with 3* than 4/5* combined... if a coach can find them. The coach that turns UT around will be great at finding overlooked talent.

The coach that turns TN around will be great at finding overlooked talent??? Please tell me you are joking. That line of thinking is antiquated. Especially in todays landscape in the SEC. The SEC as a whole is a lot tougher from top to bottom than it ever has been.

You can bring up all the data about 3* players you want. But hey he fact is you don’t win anything of significance without the most highly rated players.

 

[UTvols#1]

Heupel is like one of them hardened prisoners that takes a toothbrush and turns it into a shank. He gonna take this three star and make him into a first rounder. Gonna stab Saban’s midget ass also.

 

[LittleVol]

The coach that turns TN around will be great at finding overlooked talent??? Please tell me you are joking. That line of thinking is antiquated. Especially in todays landscape in the SEC. The SEC as a whole is a lot tougher from top to bottom than it ever has been.

You can bring up all the data about 3* players you want. But hey he fact is you don’t win anything of significance without the most highly rated players.

He needs to keep bringing in key Elite players (Nico) and yes find underrated talent.

It doesn't have to be either, or.
His actual game day coaching is what I'm evaluating. His recruiting is actually great.

Nico was the most important get in the past 15 years.

 

[volbeast33]

The coach that turns TN around will be great at finding overlooked talent??? Please tell me you are joking. That line of thinking is antiquated. Especially in todays landscape in the SEC. The SEC as a whole is a lot tougher from top to bottom than it ever has been.

You can bring up all the data about 3* players you want. But hey he fact is you don’t win anything of significance without the most highly rated players.

You need a few stars….. the rest solid football players with solid depth…. Then you will start competing and recruiting with the best…. We don’t have to have all 4 and 5 star players.

 

[peaygolf]

Sounds like most of you losers one week before Prom

 

[sjt18]

The coach that turns TN around will be great at finding overlooked talent??? Please tell me you are joking. That line of thinking is antiquated. Especially in todays landscape in the SEC. The SEC as a whole is a lot tougher from top to bottom than it ever has been.

You can bring up all the data about 3* players you want. But hey he fact is you don’t win anything of significance without the most highly rated players.

Then just give up then because until a UT coach wins... they're not taking guys away from Bama and UGA. It is a "fact" antiquated or not that more 3* will go in every draft than 4/5* combined. They're out there if a coach can find them and not get so hung up on the "ratings" that they sign a bunch of busts... as has been too much the pattern at UT.

The VERY REASON a coach has to be great at his own evaluations is that the SEC is tough. If the last several years have taught us anything... it should be that chasing stars hasn't worked out all that well.

That thinking is so "antiquated" that Clemson recently used it to climb into championship caliber.

 

[sjt18]

Sure there are good players everywhere. But all of them that commit to Tennessee - someone says is under rated and will be a four star. Like clockwork.

For every Tillman, there’s 10 jarrod means. For every Theo Jackson, there’s 10 Brandon Davis’.

Sometimes a kid is just a three star talent. Nothing wrong with that. We’re gonna have to build the core of this team with three stars until we can right the ship and change our reputation to todays recruits.

And how many Gurantanos, JJ Petersons, Will Ignonts, Maleik Grays, Eric Crosbys, Tyler Byrds, Preston Williams, etc do we have to see?

What matters is whether a coach can recognize talent and it is much better if he can see it when others can't.

 

[bigl3327]

And how many Gurantanos, JJ Petersons, Will Ignonts, Maleik Grays, Eric Crosbys, Tyler Byrds, Preston Williams, etc do we have to see?

What matters is whether a coach can recognize talent and it is much better if he can see it when others can't.

Preston Williams was a baller. He just didn't stay here. He was dominant at Colorado St.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

. It is a "fact" antiquated or not that more 3* will go in every draft than 4/5* combined.

Yeah because of numbers.

~30 five stars each cycle
~ 330 four stars
~ 2200 three stars

Per On3, 62% of five stars get drafted.
22% of four stars get drafted.
5% of three stars get drafted.

So while it’s factually correct more three stars get drafted each year - it’s misleading as hell.

And how many Gurantanos, JJ Petersons, Will Ignonts, Maleik Grays, Eric Crosbys, Tyler Byrds, Preston Williams, etc do we have to see?.

Yeah we had a list of busts during the years we had inconsistent to not S&C staff and toxic to incompetent coaching. Not sure what your point is.

What matters is whether a coach can recognize talent and it is much better if he can see it when others can't

Okay cool. Never said that wasn’t important. Simply made the point that in virtually every three star thread of a Tennessee commit, there are those claiming the kid is a diamond in the rough and will be bumped to a four star. That is all.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

You need a few stars….. the rest solid football players with solid depth…. Then you will start competing and recruiting with the best…. We don’t have to have all 4 and 5 star players.

We certainly need 4 and 5 star players at a comparabe rate to our main competition.

 

[Jackcrevol]

We certainly need 4 and 5 star players at a comparabe rate to our main competition.

Get the best players available, that fit your system.

 

[CAVPUT]

He needs to keep bringing in key Elite players (Nico) and yes find underrated talent.

It doesn't have to be either, or.
His actual game day coaching is what I'm evaluating. His recruiting is actually great.

Nico was the most important get in the past 15 years.

How so? Perception? Drawing positive attention to UT? Right now, I'd say we've got hope at the most important position on the field, but other than that, the Nico effect/impact hasn't been all that and a box of chocolates especially on the recruiting trail. Granted, the final chapter on this years class hasn't been written yet so there's still a lot that can change. As for where it really counts...on the field...his impact remains to be seen.

 

[5FingerVolPunch]

How so? Perception? Drawing positive attention to UT? Right now, I'd say we've got hope at the most important position on the field, but other than that, the Nico effect/impact hasn't been all that and a box of chocolates especially on the recruiting trail. Granted, the final chapter on this years class hasn't been written yet so there's still a lot that can change. As for where it really counts...on the field...his impact remains to be seen.

Potential to land 2 4* OTs, 1 borderline 5* do it all offensive weapon, and 1 4* (on at least 1 service) LB in the next 4 days. High probability to get at least 3 out of 4 of those. This class will come together nicely and finish top 10 when its all said and done.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Feelin' good here with the CB yesterday.

Anybody got a commit time for this dewd?

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Yeah because of numbers.

~30 five stars each cycle
~ 330 four stars
~ 2200 three stars

Per On3, 62% of five stars get drafted.
22% of four stars get drafted.
5% of three stars get drafted.

So while it’s factually correct more three stars get drafted each year - it’s misleading as hell.




Yeah we had a list of busts during the years we had inconsistent to not S&C staff and toxic to incompetent coaching. Not sure what your point is.



Okay cool. Never said that wasn’t important. Simply made the point that in virtually every three star thread of a Tennessee commit, there are those claiming the kid is a diamond in the rough and will be bumped to a four star. That is all.

Granted, love when we get high star guys, many that have excelled since pee wee ball. On the other hand a fan HOPING that their staff has picked up the MISSES from the 3 and lower star pools at the top of the food chain. It is a very inexact science evaluating kids at various stages of growth and maturity. They can only rank what they see, and cannot project growth and improvement in college programs strength and nutrition programs. The following is the CBS breakdown of the first round of 22 draft...

2022 NFL Draft by recruiting ranking

• 5-stars: 8
• 4-stars: 12
• 3-stars: 9
• 2-stars: 1
• 1-star: 0
• Unranked: 2

They hit on 20 and missed on 12. So 4 and 5 stars are the safest bet, celebrate them, But college staffs are targeting INDIVIDUAL kids after camps and growth spurts not available to the services and are not just blindly reaching into the vast 3 star pool. Each ranking group will be comprised of hits and misses. How many three stars got drafted THIS year that were outside the Top 250 or 300 of their same respective two main classes? How did the rest of the 4 and 5 stars from multiple classes get passed?

Total draft numbers would of course skew to more 3's. Could not find just a breakdown for all 250 or so draft picks.

But these numbers are a basis for optimism that stars are probabilities of success and not ceilings on players ability. Would love to have a third of our 3 stars turn into first round draft picks. Or maybe just get our statistical share.

 

[Vols410]

Sure there are good players everywhere. But all of them that commit to Tennessee - someone says is under rated and will be a four star. Like clockwork.

For every Tillman, there’s 10 jarrod means. For every Theo Jackson, there’s 10 Brandon Davis’.

Sometimes a kid is just a three star talent. Nothing wrong with that. We’re gonna have to build the core of this team with three stars until we can right the ship and change our reputation to todays recruits.

True, but also fair to say there are different kinds of 3-stars. The .88-.89 range (Banks/Beasley/Burrell) has produced a lot more quality (or at least playable...) players for us than the .80-.84 Means/Davis range. Leacock's ranking is a lot closer to that first group.

 

[TrippieRedd]

True, but also fair to say there are different kinds of 3-stars. The .88-.89 range (Banks/Beasley/Burrell) has produced a lot more quality (or at least playable...) players for us than the .80-.84 Means/Davis range. Leacock's ranking is a lot closer to that first group.

Pls take Burrell out of there. He is slawwwww

 

[NighthawkVol]

Heupel is like one of them hardened prisoners that takes a toothbrush and turns it into a shank. He gonna take this three star and make him into a first rounder. Gonna stab Saban’s midget ass also.

I have faith that CJH will take just about any group of WRs and make them productive. So I don’t care about their rankings. Same with QBs. He knows what qualities he wants.

Where I do think we need stud recruits is on defense and OLine.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Get the best players available, that fit your system.

All day. Stars are based on overall talent potential but if you put them in the wrong system for their skill set then they are no better than a 3 star. A 3 star that fits your system can be more of a 4/5 star in the right system. You obviously want all the 4/5 stars you can get but don’t take just to take. Take bc they can excel in your system

 

[TrippieRedd]

I have faith that CJH will take just about any group of WRs and make them productive. So I don’t care about their rankings. Same with QBs. He knows what qualities he wants.

Where I do think we need stud recruits is on defense and OLine.

This. I'd bet Heupel could win the SEC with his UCF offense full of 3 stars with a pretty loaded SEC defense.

 

[jakez4ut]

Pls take Burrell out of there. He is slawwwww

he's definitely had his struggles. but i'm hopeful another year with WM, another year of conditioning....i mean, we've seen corners in the past really struggle and wind up really good. Emmanuel Mosely comes to mind. so i'm hopeful WB is on that path. we'll see. he'll certainly have an opportunity to do just that.