NCAA = Slavery You can't make this stuff up

#202
#202
bamawriter said:
Like I've said, I'm actually fine with leaving the "compensation" as is assuming they lift restrictions on the player being able to use his own name and likeness. That obviously won't create "equal" pay for all athletes, but it's at least "fair."



If schools were to create advanced degrees in football, and such a degree were required to play professionally, then it would be an apt comparison to the professions you mentioned.

I'm not even fundamentally opposed to the idea, as it would at least reflect reality for many "student"-athletes.
Click to expand...
the point is that outside organizations place restrictions on those who want to work in that field. and that the colleges are that method to getting in. so its not dissimilar to what is going on. most jobs these days don't require a specific degree, or at least with a degree you can get jobs in multiple related fields. no need for an advanced specific degree.
 
#203
#203
LouderVol said:
the point is that outside organizations place restrictions on those who want to work in that field. and that the colleges are that method to getting in.
Click to expand...

I get your point, but I don't think it's an apt comparison. There are certain professions that require advanced education before one practices, for obvious reasons. It would be detrimental to the community to let someone practice medicine, law, or architecture without sufficient education because a lack of education could have disastrous results.

I think you'd agree that sports, in general, do not require advanced education. The NFL's three year rule isn't in place because football players need a college education in order to safely and effectively perform their craft. The NFL could operate a developmental league should they choose to do so. But they won't, because it doesn't cost a dime to let NCAA member schools do it for them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#206
#206
bamawriter said:
I get your point, but I don't think it's an apt comparison. There are certain professions that require advanced education before one practices, for obvious reasons. It would be detrimental to the community to let someone practice medicine, law, or architecture without sufficient education because a lack of education could have disastrous results.

I think you'd agree that sports, in general, do not require advanced education. The NFL's three year rule isn't in place because football players need a college education in order to safely and effectively perform their craft. The NFL could operate a developmental league should they choose to do so. But they won't, because it doesn't cost a dime to let NCAA member schools do it for them.
Click to expand...

You are exactly right, but how exactly did Minor League Baseball come to be then? Especially in light of the fact that, to a certain extent, NCAA member schools are developing eventual MLB players in addition to operating its own developmental leagues.
 
#207
#207
Maybe the XFL and AAF will allow players right out of HS and Frosh, Soph in college to play for pay. Then the college players who complain about be exploited can go to one of those leagues.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#208
#208
05_never_again said:
You are exactly right, but how exactly did Minor League Baseball come to be then? Especially in light of the fact that, to a certain extent, NCAA member schools are developing eventual MLB players in addition to operating its own developmental leagues.
Click to expand...

Unlike in football, many baseball players are at least physically capable of playing the pro game coming out of high school, or shortly thereafter. That's obviously not the case in football.

The minor league system in baseball (and hockey, for another example) allows players to be moved up and down during the season. But in order to do that, teams have to have players under contract. If they are playing in college, that obviously wouldn't work.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#209
#209
peaygolf said:
Maybe the XFL and AAF will allow players right out of HS and Frosh, Soph in college to play for pay. Then the college players who complain about be exploited can go to one of those leagues.
Click to expand...

I believe the AAF said they'll be running a "territorial" draft that features players who weren't drafted by the NFL.
 
#210
#210
bamawriter said:
I believe the AAF said they'll be running a "territorial" draft that features players who weren't drafted by the NFL.
Click to expand...

Yea, I know.......But, what a concept. Allow any Fr, soph, or HS sr to enter "territorial" draft. That would be unique to what the NFL does.
 
#211
#211
bamawriter said:
Unlike in football, many baseball players are at least physically capable of playing the pro game coming out of high school, or shortly thereafter. That's obviously not the case in football.

The minor league system in baseball (and hockey, for another example) allows players to be moved up and down during the season. But in order to do that, teams have to have players under contract. If they are playing in college, that obviously wouldn't work.
Click to expand...

High school football players might be physically incapable of playing in the NFL, but they could play in a minor league that is owned/run by the NFL. They could even tier it up just like baseball does. Top prospects would be playing against other top prospects, with mid to lower level guys mixed in. It'd be just like college football, except not at a college, and these guys would be professional football players getting paid to do so. It'll never happen of course because of the billions of dollars invested in the college game over the decades, but hypothetically it could.

We agree why such a a system doesn't exist (the reason mentioned above and the NFL is perfectly fine with colleges running it for them).

My question is that if the NFL lets colleges run their developmental system for them, then why doesn't MLB just let the colleges do the same for them? Why even have a minor league system if colleges have very good baseball teams that churn out a lot of pro-ready prospects?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#212
#212
05_never_again said:
My question is that if the NFL lets colleges run their developmental system for them, then why doesn't MLB just let the colleges do the same for them? Why even have a minor league system if colleges have very good baseball teams that churn out a lot of pro-ready prospects?
Click to expand...

Again, the issue is that baseball wants to ability to call prospects up from the minors. Can't do that with college players.

Even if the NFL ran a developmental league featuring younger players, they would very rarely make call-ups. The benefit wouldn't outweigh the cost.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#213
#213
bamawriter said:
Again, the issue is that baseball wants to ability to call prospects up from the minors. Can't do that with college players.

Even if the NFL ran a developmental league featuring younger players, they would very rarely make call-ups. The benefit wouldn't outweigh the cost.
Click to expand...

I get it - baseball can make call ups because the guys are professional players in the minors. Football could do the same thing with a minor league system - they'd have professional players in the minor leagues that they could call up.

Veteran QB struggling midseason? Call up the highly-touted kid you just drafted. Need WR depth due to injury? Call up someone. Those guys wouldn't be just riding the bench for the pro team either - they'd be playing a lot (probably starting) for their minor league team, so it could even have advantages over the current system. Yes, it is harder to insert guys into lineups in football because they have to learn the playbook, etc., but it could be done in a similar fashion to baseball.

I get the feeling that there is something different in the historical development of professional football vs. baseball leagues that led to professional baseball using minor leagues (and colleges) and professional football using solely colleges. It would make sense if no colleges played baseball and developing a minor league system was baseball's only option, but colleges play both football and baseball. Not sure what gives.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#214
#214
05_never_again said:
I get it - baseball can make call ups because the guys are professional players in the minors. Football could do the same thing with a minor league system - they'd have professional players in the minor leagues that they could call up.

Veteran QB struggling midseason? Call up the highly-touted kid you just drafted. Need WR depth due to injury? Call up someone. Those guys wouldn't be just riding the bench for the pro team either - they'd be playing a lot (probably starting) for their minor league team, so it could even have advantages over the current system. Yes, it is harder to insert guys into lineups in football because they have to learn the playbook, etc., but it could be done in a similar fashion to baseball.

I get the feeling that there is something different in the historical development of professional football vs. baseball leagues that led to professional baseball using minor leagues (and colleges) and professional football using solely colleges. It would make sense if no colleges played baseball and developing a minor league system was baseball's only option, but colleges play both football and baseball. Not sure what gives.
Click to expand...

But again, the NFL would rarely call up prospects. Aside from the physical issue, it is considerably easier to plug a guy into a baseball lineup on short notice than it is to do the same in football, particularly with a QB like you mentioned.
 
#215
#215
bamawriter said:
So you'd work for an employer who offered to pay you in free education and access to a sweet gym?
Click to expand...

If they also gave room board, transportation, electronic allowances, professional dress allowances, all the gear and clothing I could ever want from Jordan /Nike or an affiliate, while using the platform they are in charge of as a launching pad for a professional career and a fallback of a free education, yeah I think it sounds reasonable!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#216
#216
1.6% of all NCAA college football players get drafted. Looks like 98.4% of the College football players need to be very happy they are being "paid" by receiving the chance to earn a degree that will help them when they are not in the NFL.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#217
#217
bamawriter said:
Like I said, I don't believe that anyone is arguing that college athletes should be paid that much.
Click to expand...


If likeness goes to the highest bidder and I'm afraid their likeness agents will insist, just exactly how is that revenue regulated?
 
#219
#219
bamawriter said:
I don't know that it should be regulated. It isn't regulated for the schools.
Click to expand...


Cool, unregulated agents selling player's images to the highest bidder. What could go wrong?

I think most will find that amateurism will prove more resilient than anticipated. Much like the Supreme court decision to not hear the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit against the NCAA. Change is a slow process filled with struggles and setbacks.
 
#222
#222
TUSKtimes said:
Only if you become the first soul to finally regulate greed and selfishness in a world of haves and have-nots.


Neither does economic equality, but we all keep playing.
Click to expand...

So you're in favor of the current system, which encodes greed and selfishness and maximizes economic inequality?

I'm not at all concerned with who makes what. I am concerned with allowing people to do only what is reasonable and fair.
 
#223
#223
bamawriter said:
So you're in favor of the current system, which encodes greed and selfishness and maximizes economic inequality?

I'm not at all concerned with who makes what. I am concerned with allowing people to do only what is reasonable and fair.
Click to expand...

I'm for economic accountability. I don't want "recruiting" to become a bidding war for 18 years olds. I don't want entitled teenagers at the first sign of adversity to feel empowered to open up their recruiting once again.
 
#224
#224
TUSKtimes said:
I'm for economic accountability. I don't want "recruiting" to become a bidding war for 18 years olds. I don't want entitled teenagers at the first sign of adversity to feel empowered to open up their recruiting once again.
Click to expand...

Do you honestly believe there is no "bidding" for recruits at the moment?
 
#225
#225
bamawriter said:
Do you honestly believe there is no "bidding" for recruits at the moment?
Click to expand...


I'm not interested in getting into more of your theory of economic relativity. You seem to quickly choose that over specifics when pushed for your blueprint.

I want to see checks and balances that can help the players economically as well as obligate the players to the University they decide to make their home.

"Show me the money" doesn't seem like much of a gameplan.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top