NCAA to release sanctions/penalties against Penn State Monday Morning

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vols-1 said:
A long term television ban might be worse than a one year death penalty.
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yea a television ban is an inappropriate punishment, because it hurts the disciplined team's opponents as well. Imagine how ticked you'd be if your school was scheduled to play an away game at Penn State and you couldn't watch it on television.

When SMU was punished, they were forced to sit out an entire season, and then the following season could only play away games. They chose to go ahead and sit out the second season as well.

I think an away game only season would be a very harsh penalty, especially if imposed in addition to bowl bans and scholarship reductions.
 
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I predict they get dropped out of D1 and end up in FCS with no bowls or play offs for a while.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
I agree, but I was thinking a Big 10 and NCAA collaboration possibly. But, I think what X Factor said will probably be what happens, with money being a big factor. That being a said, I could see the Big 10 expelling PSU. Delany wants the power to fire coaches.
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Something to keep in mind, if the Big 10 expells PSU, and they don't have another team to add, then they will be hurting the conference by killing their new championship game.
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Something to keep in mind, if the Big 10 expells PSU, and they don't have another team to add, then they will be hurting the conference by killing their new championship game.
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If that happened I think the NCAA would grant them a waiver to still be able to hold the game until a new 12th team is chosen
 
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SIAP. ESPN is saying that the Penn State sanctions will be announced tomorrow. They are also saying that the penalties will be "unprecedented". I think there is a possibility of scholly losses greater than what USC got. I also wonder if there is a possibility of a bowl ban greater than two years..
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
yea a television ban is an inappropriate punishment, because it hurts the disciplined team's opponents as well. Imagine how ticked you'd be if your school was scheduled to play an away game at Penn State and you couldn't watch it on television.
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And thats why schools like Miami get in trouble time and time again. No one has the balls to implement a TV ban. Alabama fans did not like having to listen to the Iron Bowl on the radio when Auburn received the TV ban, but they got over it.
 
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It stands to reason that, with the NCAA not following the standard disciplinary process, that a dialogue has taken place between the NCAA and PSU...and that PSU has agreed to "unprecented measures", as opposed to what might transpire if the whole process were to play out. Thus, they avoid the death penalty, and the shame of having this thing dragged out in the media for months to come. In other words, PSU agreed to "let's just get this over with."

Have to applaud that stance by PSU. They already have their hands full trying to figure out how many millions they are going to pay in the civil litigation that is sure to follow.

So...what price do they pay?

- Loss of scholarships. Probably a reduced total limit of around 70 or so, with 10 lost per year for 5 to 10 years. Ballpark numbers, but I'll bet I'm close. A limit on total scholarships, plus an annual reduction, effectively cripples PSU for all of the years the ban is in effect, plus 4.

- Post-season ban, including the Big 10 Championship, for probably 5 to 7 years. No post-season = lost recruits.

- A huge financial penalty, which will be used to fund some type of child abuse awareness / recovery organization. Big number here.

- Long-term probation, probably on the order of 10 years, with the understanding that one more significant violation means "goodbye PSU football".

That's my guess.

Go Vols.
 
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vols-1 said:
And thats why schools like Miami get in trouble time and time again. No one has the balls to implement a TV ban. Alabama fans did not like having to listen to the Iron Bowl on the radio when Auburn received the TV ban, but they got over it.
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I can see a 5 year TV ban.

Go Vols.
 
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"Unprecedented" is most likely an exaggeration. They gave SMU the death penalty back in the day, so unless they can top that, ESPN is just sensationalizing it.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
SIAP. ESPN is saying that the Penn State sanctions will be announced tomorrow. They are also saying that the penalties will be "unprecedented". I think there is a possibility of scholly losses greater than what USC got. I also wonder if there is a possibility of a bowl ban greater than two years..
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I would think that the NCAA wants to send a hard message that sexual predators will not overshadow college/athletic programs. The people involved who looked the other way should no doubt get the hammer but I think there are going to be a lot of innocent people who are going to suffer as well. I'm not a Penn State fan at all, quite the contrary, but I hate to see innocent folks flushed down the drain either.
 
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Weezer said:
"Unprecedented" is most likely an exaggeration. They gave SMU the death penalty back in the day, so unless they can top that, ESPN is just sensationalizing it.
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I took it to mean not more excessive, but just something that's never been done before. Something different.
 
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Weezer said:
"Unprecedented" is most likely an exaggeration. They gave SMU the death penalty back in the day, so unless they can top that, ESPN is just sensationalizing it.
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The source that ESPN quoted in the online article said the sanctions might be worse than a one year "death penalty". That is why I'm wondering if we're talking about scholarship losses for 4+ years in addition to a postseason ban.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Wonder if we can poach any of their players.
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Yeah, it will be interesting to see how many players, and maybe rightfully so, jump ship. And we thought Dooley had to start over in a difficult position. If a bunch of recruits jump ship and harsh punishments come down what will the expectations be for the current Penn St coach? Hard to tread water when your feet are marred in a concrete block. Glub, glub, glub.
 
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chuck0303 said:
I would think that the NCAA wants to send a hard message that sexual predators will not overshadow college/athletic programs. The people involved who looked the other way should no doubt get the hammer but I think there are going to be a lot of innocent people who are going to suffer as well. I'm not a Penn State fan at all, quite the contrary, but I hate to see innocent folks flushed down the drain either.
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You have sexual predators, every day, across the nation, teaching your elementary school-age kids about masturbation and that guys poking other guys is normal...all while handing out condoms.

That is pedophilia at work in our public education system, and I can't believe there isn't just as much of a national outrage at that sort of thing.

What if your best friend was telling this stuff to your 7-8yr old? What would you do? You'd punch his lights out and view him as a pedophile. Why on earth then are we not going ballistic when liberal "educators" try to bring their twisted, sexually deviant ideals into the classroom?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
You have sexual predators, every day, across the nation, teaching your elementary school-age kids about masturbation and that guys poking other guys is normal...all while handing out condoms.

That is pedophilia at work in our public education system, and I can't believe there isn't just as much of a national outrage at that sort of thing.

What if your best friend was telling this stuff to your 7-8yr old? What would you do? You'd punch his lights out and view him as a pedophile. Why on earth then are we not going ballistic when liberal "educators" try to bring their twisted sexually deviant ideals into the classroom?
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In b4 move to politics. . .
 
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rjd970 said:
All for the statue coming down. If the sanctions are a ban on football, not sure I agree with it. Saban had this right. Lets see what the program can currently do to help victim advocates. Taxing ticket sales, giving some proceeds to the victims, etc. I don't care if the program is financially hurt, but the program shouldn't be restricted from playing. Current players had nothing to do with it.
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Doesn't Bama have PSU on their schedule this season?
 
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Hell, even the so-called death penalty is not unprecedented in college football. So, that looks rather ominous. If SMU can get the death penalty for paying a couple of players under the table, as they did in the eighties, then I have to assume that the ncaa will evaluate the child-rape that occurred on the PSU campus and the subsequent decades-long cover-up by the administration as several orders of magnitude more horrendous. If that doesn't garner the death penalty for PSU, then I can't imagine what it would take nowadays to bring down the hammer of doom. A couple of years out of football would probably do them more good than harm anyway. It would at least give them time to ponder the relative importance of football versus child safety. The coaching staff and administration clearly had things out of proportion while all this was going on up there. Hard to say what will happen to their current players and recruits in the aftermath of any sanctions that may be forthcoming, but it’ll be interesting to see how they scatter.
 
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