NCAA to release sanctions/penalties against Penn State Monday Morning

[the.one.the.only]

Which put alongside past NCAA penalties, makes it roughly 1.5-2x as bad as USC buying Reggie Bush's mom a house, but not quite as bad as SMU getting caught continuing to pay players while already on probation for the same offense. How stupid. The NCAA should have just realized that this was something that was totally outside their jurisdiction and let the criminal justice system, which already has punishments for these sorts of crimes long since established, handle this.

But they didn't do that. And now they must torch that program or risk get torched themselves.

 

[bleedorange0037]

I don't know how else to say this besides they have to be punished. Penn St's football program allowed child rape for 10 years for God's sake. I feel bad for the innocent at psu but I feel even worse for the victims. The program needs to be burned to the ground. No other way around it.

The people responsible for this ARE being punished, by the court system. The NCAA had no business getting mixed up in this.

 

[the.one.the.only]

The people responsible for this ARE being punished, by the court system. The NCAA had no business getting mixed up in this.

Dude, I'm sorry for the innocent employees in State College, but PSU harbored a child molester for 10 freaking years. If they get no punishment for this, then anything goes in the NCAA

 

[GreyWolf1129]

The conferences unoficially nixed the TV ban years back. It affects the innocent as much as the guilty.

As do most criminal acts.

Go Vols.

 

[bleedorange0037]

But they didn't do that. And now they must torch that program or risk get torched themselves.

They are going to get torched either way. The NCAA doesn't possess the legal authority to hand down an acceptable punishment, only the courts have that. Even giving PSU the death penalty is a joke because doing so essentially equates the rape of multiple young children over a span of more than a decade to a school paying recruits. They should have realized that they were in a no-win situation and just stayed the hell out of this mess.

 

[TrueOrange]

Chump change, they have 14B in the bank right now.

I'm not certain that's all just open money like you're sort of making it sound...like it doesn't work simply like that with a university


Plus this will be added onto at least the civil suits (likely around $100 mil...so that's like $200 mil)

 

[zjcvols]

You are correct that the NCAA did not have any knowledge of what took place with Gricar and if they did, they would report it to the FBI immediately. However, it would have been better for me to say that Penn State was accepting the punishment in hopes that this will pile on enough dirt to quiet and stop any further investigation.

That I can agree with.

 

[CountVolcula]

Its still just Football

They will survive

It must be done so that we are insured that other serious crimes by players and coaches doesnt go unreported

Penn State put themselves in this mess and now they will pay for it.

 

[milohimself]

Its still just Football

They will survive

It must be done so that we are insured that other serious crimes by players and coaches doesnt go unreported

Penn State put themselves in this mess and now they will pay for it.

In areas like State College and that region, it's not "just football"

It's integral to the economic and social lifeblood of the area.

One man raped children, and others covered for him. That's where it ends. They are all facing the consequences.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

It must be done so that we are insured that other serious crimes by players and coaches doesnt go unreported.

I'll post it again:

Do you believe that the loss of football is the one thing that stops this from happening elsewhere? Not the potential for jail time and significant financial reparations?

 

[the.one.the.only]

In areas like State College and that region, it's not "just football"

It's integral to the economic and social lifeblood of the area.

One man raped children, and others covered for him. That's where it ends. They are all facing the consequences.

If colleges are allowed to harbor criminals and receive no punishment whatsoever, then why bother to report them? Everybody pays the penalty for something like this. Just the way it is.

 

[CountVolcula]

In areas like State College and that region, it's not "just football"

It's integral to the economic and social lifeblood of the area.

One man raped children, and others covered for him. That's where it ends. They are all facing the consequences.

Why did they cover for Sandusky?

 

[bleedorange0037]

Its still just Football

They will survive

It must be done so that we are insured that other serious crimes by players and coaches doesnt go unreported

Penn State put themselves in this mess and now they will pay for it.

So in your opinion, the guy who owns a store, or restaurant in Happy Valley whose livelihood depends largely on the income generated on those 7 or 8 football Saturday's a year deserves to have his business cut drastically or be forced to shut down altogether in an effort exact vengeance against an abstract "institution" even though the tangible people who committed the crimes are either in prison, awaiting trial or dead?

 

[bleedorange0037]

I'll post it again:

Do you believe that the loss of football is the one thing that stops this from happening elsewhere? Not the potential for jail time and significant financial reparations?

If this is the case, there isn't a lot of hope for our society going forward.

 

[CountVolcula]

I'll post it again:

Do you believe that the loss of football is the one thing that stops this from happening elsewhere? Not the potential for jail time and significant financial reparations?

Dont you think that another institution will think twice about covering up for a serious crime after tomorrow?

A selfish old man destroyed the program that he built

 

[CountVolcula]

So in your opinion, the guy who owns a store, or restaurant in Happy Valley whose livelihood depends largely on the income generated on those 7 or 8 football Saturday's a year deserves to have his business cut drastically or be forced to shut down altogether in an effort exact vengeance against an abstract "institution" even though the tangible people who committed the crimes are either in prison, awaiting trial or dead?

What if they were paying players and multiple years of major recruiting violations?

Would you still feel the same about Joe Blows Nittany lions Apparel Shop?

 

[milohimself]

If colleges are allowed to harbor criminals and receive no punishment whatsoever, then why bother to report them? Everybody pays the penalty for something like this. Just the way it is.

Everybody who is guilty of knowingly harboring a criminal in this case is already dead or well on their way to spending the rest of their days behind bars.

Why did they cover for Sandusky?

To protect Paterno's legacy. He died, they're all going to prison.

 

[milohimself]

What if they were paying players and multiple years of major recruiting violations?

Would you still feel the same about Joe Blows Nittany lions Apparel Shop?

If there were recruiting violations, then it would be the NCAA and not the justice system taking action here.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Dont you think that another institution will think twice about covering up for a serious crime after tomorrow?

A selfish old man destroyed the program that he built

Not because they lost football. Again, jail time wasn't enough to prevent it.

 

[milohimself]

Dont you think that another institution will think twice about covering up for a serious crime after tomorrow?

A selfish old man destroyed the program that he built

Sorry to repeat what you brought up in the other thread, but if you're looking at this as a way to prevent the same thing from happening elsewhere, then what you're effectively saying is "if you cover up for child rapists then we'll make the football program you used to work for a few years"

When the fact is the criminal justice system already has things in place that say "if you cover up for child rapists then we'll make you spend the rest of your days behind bars."

One of those is much closer to direct justice and targeted at actual criminals, the other is misguided and dumb.

 

[bleedorange0037]

What if they were paying players and multiple years of major recruiting violations?

Would you still feel the same about Joe Blows Nittany lions Apparel Shop?

It would suck for the local businesses, but the NCAA has never handed down any sort of recruiting sanctions that essentially destroyed an entire college town like the PSU sanctions likely will.

I'm pretty much on the same page with milo here in that it bothers me that, in an effort to shut people up, the NCAA decided they would just make this their jurisdiction even though it clearly is not. That's a dangerous precedent. However, the NCAA only has power because the colleges give them that power, so if they get to the point that everyone feels the NCAA is habitually overstepping its bounds, everyone can just leave and the NCAA will basically just cease to exist.

 

[CountVolcula]

Sorry to repeat what you brought up in the other thread, but if you're looking at this as a way to prevent the same thing from happening elsewhere, then what you're effectively saying is "if you cover up for child rapists then we'll make the football program you used to work for a few years"

When the fact is the criminal justice system already has things in place that say "if you cover up for child rapists then we'll make you spend the rest of your days behind bars."

One of those is much closer to direct justice and targeted at actual criminals, the other is misguided and dumb.

Do you think they would have covered it up if it didnt involve the football program directly?

If it would have been a janitor that McCreary saw, would he have called the police first or call Paterno?

Would Paterno have called the AD and said we need to talk about what we need to do about this?

Would the president and AD talk with Paterno and decide not to do anything about it, because he was a good janitor that did a great job?

Or do you think they would have been ready to string him up?

I dont think Paterno just covered for Sandusky because he was a friend or sympathised with pedophiles

Joe Pa covered for his football program

Because of that, his program is going to suffer

 

[onevol74]

NCAA To Fine Penn State Between $30 Million to $60 Million

If I were a lawyer for one of the abused kids I would go to court and file an injunction since the university and all of its assets should be available for civil judgement penalties. Otherwise, when you get to that phase the university will argue that they only have limited assets since they owe the NCAA.

First, the NCAA has no business in this matter and is only reacting to interject their influence. Secondly, from PSU's perspective, a financial penalty will be inconsequential since the money will be going to one party or the other anyway.

 

[milohimself]

Do you think they would have covered it up if it didnt involve the football program directly?

If it would have been a janitor that McCreary saw, would he have called the police first or call Paterno?

Would Paterno have called the AD and said we need to talk about what we need to do about this?

Would the president and AD talk with Paterno and decide not to do anything about it, because he was a good janitor that did a great job?

Or do you think they would have been ready to string him up?

I dont think Paterno just covered for Sandusky because he was a friend or sympathised with pedophiles

Joe Pa covered for his football program

Because of that, his program is going to suffer

JoePa covered for Sandusky to save his own ass, and nothing else.

The football players didn't cover up, Penn State students didn't cover up, the community of State College didn't cover up and the Big Ten didn't cover up.

And if Paterno hadn't died he would be well on his way from Penn State to the state pen for what he did.

The rest of your post is speculative.

 

[bleedorange0037]

Do you think they would have covered it up if it didnt involve the football program directly?

If it would have been a janitor that McCreary saw, would he have called the police first or call Paterno?

Would Paterno have called the AD and said we need to talk about what we need to do about this?

Would the president and AD talk with Paterno and decide not to do anything about it, because he was a good janitor that did a great job?

Or do you think they would have been ready to string him up?

I dont think Paterno just covered for Sandusky because he was a friend or sympathised with pedophiles

Joe Pa covered for his football program

Because of that, his program is going to suffer

But it's not his program anymore. He was relieved of his job and is now dead. All the people who were a part of this coverup have been removed from the university's payroll. Like milo said, this was a failing on the part of specific individuals, and they are the ones who deserve to be punished to the full letter of the law, not some abstract institution they sought to protect.