Nebraska, Missouri face ultimatum from Big XII.

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droski said:
i saw the numbers, they don't lag texas by much.
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I don't think they do either, but their AD sure did come out and tell the media how disappointed he was in their current revenue sharing system when changes weren't made
 
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TrueOrange said:
If you're a team like MIZZOU/NEB who's waiting to see IF you actually DO get invited to the Big 10, it's no longer a safe situation.
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Don't you think by this point they actually know (behind the scenes) whether they are invited or not?

It's hard for me to believe that this thing would be carrying on as it is unless the Big 10 had made the option clear.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Don't you think by this point they actually know (behind the scenes) whether they are invited or not?

It's hard for me to believe that this thing would be carrying on as it is unless the Big 10 had made the option clear.
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I think they do have some idea (though they won't elaborate to anyone about it), but they're (the rest of the conference) playing hardball here.

Nothing's finalized till the invites. If NEB scoffed the conference and then the Big 10 decided they wanted Pitt or someone instead, then Neb is left in a position where they're pretty screwed.

Till that invite's out, they can't certain of anything; the Big 12 teams are playing off of that here
 
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droski said:
looks fairly obvious that colorado wants out.
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oh yeah

i've said in the other thread, I would not be surprised at all if after this is over Colorado ends up getting itself to the Pac-10 one way or another

They were involved in the earlier Pac-10 expansion talk, they're the odd team out (relation-wise) in the current proposal - and they were the ones I think confirming the story, and they're one of the teams putting all the pressure on Mizzou and Neb and keeping the focus on them.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was something going on.


I mean it'd make perfect sense if they were working the system from both sides to keep attention off of them before they bolted.


(actually if you're an SEC fan wanting Texas OU or whoever still, the scenario you might want is one where Mizz and Neb declare stay, CU bolts west, and (though a fall apart would be unlikely) the cracks form from the anger at this move form and the other major Big 12 schools are so angry at Colorado (who was on their side earlier) that they don't want to be in the same conference with them)
 
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Not that it couldn't change, but OU and Texas to the SEC seems pretty much out of the question at this point.
 
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Mack Brown has all of the SECOND he wants I'm sure. Big game Bob is still looking for a defense to stop the "oopty oop".
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What started all of this conference shifting madness? Who benefit most from such changes?
 
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ukvols said:
If they say they're staying, can't they still leave when an official invitation comes? Perhaps the Big 12 plans to contractually increase the $ penalties for leaving.

It's the Big 12's own fault if they start losing schools, b/c they chose to not distribute revenue evenly.
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if this is true, then come Friday, the entire shape of college football will change forever. This whole thing is about money with the Pac 10 in front of the line on it. Some schools in the big 12 just want TV revenues and contracts, and the Pac 10 wants more schools for their TV contract renewal. Perfect invitation if i ever saw one.
 
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Their commissioner must be a total idiot. Their first commissioner is now on saving mode. On the other hand, A caller on the radio said Cowboys owner Jerry Jones wants his alma mater, The Arkansas Razorbacks, back playing with the Texas schools because of recruiting and tradition. So would Arkansas think of moving to the Big 12? I've heard LSU as well.
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SamRebel35 said:
What started all of this conference shifting madness? Who benefit most from such changes?
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Big Ten found out that its Big Ten Network was actually making alot more money than everyone expected it would;

they wanted to take even more advantage of this and make even more by expanding their coverage to make several more large cities regional to them (when their Network is regional, it makes 7x as much per household);

they announced that they were making plans for expansion and said that they would be inviting teams to join the big ten by the year's end.
 
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robvols said:
Their commissioner must be a total idiot. Their first commissioner is now on saving mode. On the other hand, A caller on the radio said Cowboys owner Jerry Jones wants his alma mater, The Arkansas Razorbacks, back playing with the Texas schools because of recruiting and tradition. So would Arkansas think of moving to the Big 12? I've heard LSU as well.
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won't happen, either one.

It's not even certain they'd be offered honestly, but even then the reality is that - if the big 12 goes off in 2-3 different directions, they're going to have to attempt to salvage themselves with most likely Mountain West and Conference USA teams
 
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ukvols said:
If they say they're staying, can't they still leave when an official invitation comes? Perhaps the Big 12 plans to contractually increase the $ penalties for leaving.

It's the Big 12's own fault if they start losing schools, b/c they chose to not distribute revenue evenly.
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arguable. Even if they had distributed evenly, there's no way that conference could have given Mizzou and Neb near the $22 mil yearly they'd get in the Big ten
 
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We know that this thing is probably gonna to take one deal to get the ball rolling. The question is what is the first deal that happens and when?

Mizzou and Neb to big 10? Is that a big enough change for the Big 10 or do they go for more? Who?

Does Colorado accept the Pac 10 offer and start the ball rolling between those conferences? We know that's not enough for the Pac 10 but does Colorado say "hey were going and I recommend you do the same" to other Big 12 schools?

Does the Big East or the ACC try to stave off the raiding of there conferences by making a play for other schools? I'm not sure they have many options and they probably feel the best thing for them is to do nothing and see what happens.

I think it's safe to say the SEC won't make the first move. Were at the top now and don't really have to prove anything and don't stand to profit much.
 
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TrueOrange said:
won't happen, either one.

It's not even certain they'd be offered honestly, but even then the reality is that - if the big 12 goes off in 2-3 different directions, they're going to have to attempt to salvage themselves with most likely Mountain West and Conference USA teams
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They can go back to being the Big 8 but then having a championship game would be redundant.
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TrueOrange said:
arguable. Even if they had distributed evenly, there's no way that conference could have given Mizzou and Neb near the $22 mil yearly they'd get in the Big ten
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This issue the BIG 12 is having does not compare with how the SWC totally collapsed and merged with the Big 8. It's sad they don't carry the historical records of the Big 8.
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So would any time tested rivalries be in jeopardy if all of this conference shifting actually happens?
 
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Nashvol2 said:
We know that this thing is probably gonna to take one deal to get the ball rolling. The question is what is the first deal that happens and when?

Mizzou and Neb to big 10? Is that a big enough change for the Big 10 or do they go for more? Who?

Does Colorado accept the Pac 10 offer and start the ball rolling between those conferences? We know that's not enough for the Pac 10 but does Colorado say "hey were going and I recommend you do the same" to other Big 12 schools?

Does the Big East or the ACC try to stave off the raiding of there conferences by making a play for other schools? I'm not sure they have many options and they probably feel the best thing for them is to do nothing and see what happens.

I think it's safe to say the SEC won't make the first move. Were at the top now and don't really have to prove anything and don't stand to profit much.
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I have heard the ACC may go after the Big East if they get raided.
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Some pundit on rivals radio this morning said Nebraska holds the key to all of this. He said the Big xii could survive if they lost Mizzou, but losing a program like nebraska would ultimately be the demise of the big xii, causing Texas and Oklahoma to look elsewhere.
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pantone151 said:
Some pundit on rivals radio this morning said Nebraska holds the key to all of this. He said the Big xii could survive if they lost Mizzou, but losing a program like nebraska would ultimately be the demise of the big xii, causing Texas and Oklahoma to look elsewhere.
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yup i think colorado is gone no matter what, but they could be replaced by TCU rather easily. Mizzou no big loss, but nebraska, mizzou, AND colorado and that might force texas' hand.
 
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droski said:
yup i think colorado is gone no matter what, but they could be replaced by TCU rather easily. Mizzou no big loss, but nebraska, mizzou, AND colorado and that might force texas' hand.
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yeah seriously



how do you think they make up if they just lose colorado? I figure TCU is probably first in line. Would they just move Okie St to the north?
 
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That would help balance things some. The South has been much stronger than the North in recent years. They could still have the Oklahoma schools play an annual game.

That's the thing - if the Big Ten and Pac Ten just go to 12 teams, then the SEC can do nothing, and we'd avoid the whole super conference thing.
 
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