Netflix password sharing

#76
#76
ButchPlz said:
They're hemorrhaging subscribers without cracking down, so I'm not sure this is going to happen.

Good riddance to them either way.
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Maybe they’ve been hemorrhaging subs because there are so many cheaters not paying for their own streams.

Actually I wouldn’t call it hemorrhaging just yet. More like the growth has peaked. The subscriber count hasn’t fallen by 35% like the share price has today.
 
#77
#77
dobre_shunka said:
What if someone identifies as being part of my household? What gives Netflix the right to decide who is in my household?

Isn't each person's self-declared reality what others should accept and follow?
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I’m sure it’s all spelled out in the user agreement that everybody agrees to by clicking on but never actually read.
 
#78
#78
Thunder Good-Oil said:
Maybe they’ve been hemorrhaging subs because there are so many cheaters not paying for their own streams.

Actually I wouldn’t call it hemorrhaging just yet. More like the growth has peaked. The subscriber count hasn’t fallen by 35% like the share price has today.
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This is extremely doubtful, come on.

Projections have them losing 2 million more in the next quarter. Those people aren't "stealing", they're leaving Netflix because the quality is crap and the price for the service doesn't match what they're selling. It has infinitely more to do with the market (and the basket of entertainment options people can choose from + their ever less valuable dollar) than it does "stealing" and if you're going to run this line, you'll be alone. It's silly.

EDIT: also, people "stealing" wouldn't be counted in a subscriber count anyway.
 
#79
#79
Netflix needs facial recognition software to make sure everyone in the room is part of the same household.
 
#80
#80
ButchPlz said:
This is extremely doubtful, come on.

Projections have them losing 2 million more in the next quarter. Those people aren't "stealing", they're leaving Netflix because the quality is crap and the price for the service doesn't match what they're selling. It has infinitely more to do with the market (and the basket of entertainment options people can choose from + their ever less valuable dollar) than it does "stealing" and if you're going to run this line, you'll be alone. It's silly.

EDIT: also, people "stealing" wouldn't be counted in a subscriber count anyway.
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Those stealing aren’t counted in the subscriber base, but they would be counted if they had their own accounts instead of stealing their stream.

If it’s easy to steal and it’s well known how easy it is then who is going to sign up? Potential new customers can get their next door neighbor to go 50/50 on a single account.

Creating and acquiring content is expensive. When the stealing is chronic, the honest users end up paying far more than their share.
 
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#85
Thunder Good-Oil said:
Those stealing aren’t counted in the subscriber base, but they would be counted if they had their own accounts instead of stealing their stream.

If it’s easy to steal and it’s well known how easy it is then who is going to sign up? Potential new customers can get their next door neighbor to go 50/50 on a single account.

Creating and acquiring content is expensive. When the stealing is chronic, the honest users end up paying far more than their share.
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First, you're making a significant and relatively ignorant leap that the ones "stealing" are interested in paying for the service at all. If they're cut off, they're very likely not going to go sign up for and pay for the service. I'll just say it again- the price and the market demand are not aligned, very clearly. These people aren't drug addicts trying to keep their fix.

Second, maybe in the short term people pay more than their "fair" share, which itself is meaningless babble because you decided it was "fair" when you kept paying it. When it isn't "fair" you'll stop paying it. But anyways, there are two ways the second bolded point is easily proven false. One, when the price gets too high (is unfair for everyone, using your words) nobody is paying for it so nobody is "paying more than their fair share" because the price/cost is zero. Two, as with the famous tax example and multiple studies and real life examples (not just in taxes but in hotels, flights, music service subscriptions, video game services, etc.), when the price actually retracts to somewhere that people deem reasonable and aligned with the value, they're almost always more than willing to pay. It's why the Congressional Budget Office frequently tells politicians that when tax rates reduce, revenues actually increase- people don't dodge anymore. Eventually someone catches on and things go the right direction. Another example- music pirating is way down because now people can access the music they want to listen to via services like Spotify that align with the value they're willing to pay. This is beautiful market economics at work!

You seem to be letting some preconceived notion of "entitlement" cloud reality here.
 
#88
#88
Netflix execs learned a lot from Napster. I’m sure that they have a game plan to address the rampant stealing without putting the viability of their business at risk (as much as possible anyway). They have no choice but to crack down. I’m sure that they will take a strategic, measured approach and attempt to transition as painlessly as possible for their customers that are shamelessly stealing from them.
 
#89
#89
Thunder Good-Oil said:
Netflix execs learned a lot from Napster. I’m sure that they have a game plan to address the rampant stealing without putting the viability of their business at risk (as much as possible anyway). They have no choice but to crack down. I’m sure that they will take a strategic, measured approach and attempt to transition as painlessly as possible for their customers that are shamelessly stealing from them.
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Ok, ok you got us man, good one. I thought you were serious there for a second. Of course I should’ve realized no one is that obsessed with Netflix.
 
#90
#90
Carp said:
Is it theft when you watch TV at a restaurant too?
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I can't imagine what the take is on when friends split PPV events and watch at a house, like I do for UFC/boxing every once in a while.

Off to the gallows for me!
 
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#91
#91
ButchPlz said:
First, you're making a significant and relatively ignorant leap that the ones "stealing" are interested in paying for the service at all. If they're cut off, they're very likely not going to go sign up for and pay for the service. I'll just say it again- the price and the market demand are not aligned, very clearly. These people aren't drug addicts trying to keep their fix.

Second, maybe in the short term people pay more than their "fair" share, which itself is meaningless babble because you decided it was "fair" when you kept paying it. When it isn't "fair" you'll stop paying it. But anyways, there are two ways the second bolded point is easily proven false. One, when the price gets too high (is unfair for everyone, using your words) nobody is paying for it so nobody is "paying more than their fair share" because the price/cost is zero. Two, as with the famous tax example and multiple studies and real life examples (not just in taxes but in hotels, flights, music service subscriptions, video game services, etc.), when the price actually retracts to somewhere that people deem reasonable and aligned with the value, they're almost always more than willing to pay. It's why the Congressional Budget Office frequently tells politicians that when tax rates reduce, revenues actually increase- people don't dodge anymore. Eventually someone catches on and things go the right direction. Another example- music pirating is way down because now people can access the music they want to listen to via services like Spotify that align with the value they're willing to pay. This is beautiful market economics at work!

You seem to be letting some preconceived notion of "entitlement" cloud reality here.
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I didn’t use the words that you said I did.

It IS very similar to drug addicts needing a fix.

If 4 potential subscribers are illegally sharing a single account, the probability is strong that at least one of them will become (or remain) a paying subscriber once the sharing is blocked.

There sure seems to be a lot of butt hurt over a business attempting to prevent their product from being stolen. Probably none of it from the honest folks that aren’t stealing or enabling the theft of the streams.
 
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#92
Thunder Good-Oil said:
I didn’t use the words that you said I did.

It IS very similar to drug addicts needing a fix.

If 4 potential subscribers are illegally sharing a single account, the probability is strong that at least one of them will become (or remain) a paying subscriber once the sharing is blocked.

There sure seems to be a lot of butt hurt over a business attempting to prevent their product from being stolen. Probably none of it from the honest folks that aren’t stealing or enabling the theft of the streams.
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Please explain in what way it is like drug addicts needing a fix? You're implying that all of those people are so addicted to Netflix that they'll go get a subscription to it when/if they're cut off. One of them remaining a subscriber is a net zero gain. And in the end this is all a horrible take- the other three'll more than likely either find an alternative or do something else, as entertainment options are nearly limitless in our society (and just as happened when music pirating/sharing have been cracked down on historically- sales did not go up). And what about the entire rest of my post that blows your premise out of the water? Are you going to say I am just making stuff up here?

There's no "butthurt" from me. I'm trying to talk to someone that's disconnected from reality that actually is butthurt because now a multi-billion dollar corporation decides something that they've been negligent on for a decade-plus is suddenly unkosher.
 
#93
#93
WestTennesseeVol said:
Netflix needs facial recognition software to make sure everyone in the room is part of the same household.
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I'm sure you're being facetious, but just in case you aren't, the cost of employing such software would likely cost more than the money they are "losing" on screen sharing.

It will honestly be a moot point in the end anyways. In a few years, the technology and internet speeds will provide an abundance of screen sharing platforms, and you'll be able to simply share the same TV screen with any house in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if such apps already existed. Obviously, we know they exist on computer platforms already.
 
#94
#94
Carp said:
Is it theft when you watch TV at a restaurant too?
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No. Restaurants don’t pay for over the air TV. If they have a service providing a feed then the fee that they pay is based on capacity. Restaurants can’t play music freely either. They will be visited by reps of BMI, ASCAP, and SESAC and pony up or be prosecuted.
 
#95
#95
Carp said:
I'm sure you're being facetious, but just in case you aren't, the cost of employing such software would likely cost more than the money they are "losing" on screen sharing.

It will honestly be a moot point in the end anyways. In a few years, the technology and internet speeds will provide an abundance of screen sharing platforms, and you'll be able to simply share the same TV screen with any house in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if such apps already existed. Obviously, we know they exist on computer platforms already.
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A Discord server I am in does movie nights (with the shared broadcasting features) all the time.

Those folks are stealing movies and all belong in prison.
 
#96
#96
ButchPlz said:
I can't imagine what the take is on when friends split PPV events and watch at a house, like I do for UFC/boxing every once in a while.

Off to the gallows for me!
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That is a non-commercial use of a PPV event delivered on a single feed to a private residence.
 
#98
#98
ButchPlz said:
Please explain in what way it is like drug addicts needing a fix? You're implying that all of those people are so addicted to Netflix that they'll go get a subscription to it when/if they're cut off. One of them remaining a subscriber is a net zero gain. And in the end this is all a horrible take- the other three'll more than likely either find an alternative or do something else, as entertainment options are nearly limitless in our society (and just as happened when music pirating/sharing have been cracked down on historically- sales did not go up). And what about the entire rest of my post that blows your premise out of the water? Are you going to say I am just making stuff up here?

There's no "butthurt" from me. I'm trying to talk to someone that's disconnected from reality that actually is butthurt because now a multi-billion dollar corporation decides something that they've been negligent on for a decade-plus is suddenly unkosher.
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The rest of your post is an ignorant made up narrative full of insults. Yes. You ARE making stuff up.
 
#99
#99
Carp said:
I'm sure you're being facetious, but just in case you aren't, the cost of employing such software would likely cost more than the money they are "losing" on screen sharing.

It will honestly be a moot point in the end anyways. In a few years, the technology and internet speeds will provide an abundance of screen sharing platforms, and you'll be able to simply share the same TV screen with any house in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if such apps already existed. Obviously, we know they exist on computer platforms already.
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Netflix should take it one step further and if the scan indicates that someone not in your Netflix approved household is watching a movie with you, the police should be allowed to do a warrant less no knock raid of your house.

Any soldiers using their friends or parents account should be dishonorably discharged and put in Ft. Leavenworth - one year for each episode or movie streamed.
 
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