New Arizona Immigration Law

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#327
Cash Vallin said:
I have no issue arresting people with probable cause and then making them prove they are here legally... Just have EVERYBODY have to go through that process... Yet, a lot of people on here don't like that idea
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If the cops think the person could be an illegal, there is nothing wrong with them asking for proof. If they don't bother to check the 30 year old white mail who speaks English with a normal, American accent, and instead check the guy who responds, "No Ingles", more power to them.
 
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tvolsfan said:
If the cops think the person could be an illegal, there is nothing wrong with them asking for proof. If they don't bother to check the 30 year old white mail who speaks English with a normal, American accent, and instead check the guy who responds, "No Ingles", more power to them.
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And that my friend is ILLEGAL, and if that is how it's going to operate, the courts will shoot it down
 
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#330
Cash Vallin said:
I have no issue arresting people with probable cause and then making them prove they are here legally... Just have EVERYBODY have to go through that process... Yet, a lot of people on here don't like that idea
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you have never had a police officer request your ID without "probable cause?"
 
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#333
Cash Vallin said:
I don't know him........ but there is no way he has polled enough hispanics in a proper way for it to hold any scientific validity... oh wait, science getting in the way again, LMAO
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never said it was scientific but it was enough for me to know how the poll would go. It's now a national story but this has been a hot issue since I moved there in 2000. It's not like my results are from just today.
 
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#334
Cash Vallin said:
not sure how this is remotely related to my post of if mexicans have to prove their a legal citizen, than everybody that's arrested should have to prove it.
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You need to look up the word obtuse. Then look in a mirror.

By the way, how long have you been married? I ask that wondering if the 3 year rule is still in effect.
 
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#336
Cash Vallin said:
and i'm guessing it didn't piss you off to have your civil rights violated??? or were you just all happy about it and just moved on...
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Did you see me on the news with Al and the Rev?

Nope, I moved on down the road and found me another job.
Some roll like that, I don't.
 
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#337
Cash Vallin said:
again, if you're white, this law doesn't apply to you... THAT'S ILLEGAL
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you think every illegal is dark skinned with dark hair? I had friends whose parents came from Mexico and they were blonde hair/blue eyes. Who's profiling now?
 
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utvolpj said:
you think every illegal is dark skinned with dark hair? I had friends whose parents came from Mexico and they were blonde hair/blue eyes. Who's profiling now?
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which goes to my point of "Hispanic" being an ethnicity and not a race
 
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#341
Cash Vallin said:
again, if you're white, this law doesn't apply to you... THAT'S ILLEGAL
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so if it was up to you you'd like the police to waste their time askign for IDs so taht they can find that .000000001% of illegals that ran across the canadian border?
 
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#343
An officer only needs reasonable suspicion, in some cases, to stop and question a person. It is different from probable cause.

Probable cause is not needed to stop and speak with a person.You cannot detain on reasonable suspicion, but stopping and talking to them can lead to probable cause.

I have made many cases on just stopping and speaking with people in high crime areas. Most people that have nothing to hide, have no trouble speaking with the Police. Only the ones hiding something have a problem.
 
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#344
If someone gets robbed in an area, and the description of said robber is a white, black haired male. So with your thinking of racial profiling, would you consider this profiling if they just question white, black haired males? Or would you prefer that they question black women, bald mexicans, and male asians???
 
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#345
Cash Vallin said:
again, if you're white, this law doesn't apply to you... THAT'S ILLEGAL
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I thought we cleared this up a few days ago when we found out that (1) this law applied mainly to require police to transfer illegals to ICE after checking for identity when taken into custody [they already check identification so this is nothing really new - just the transfer]; and (2) giving them the ability to question someone when they have reasonable suspicion that the person is an illegal (but such suspicion has to be based on something other than race or color).

Given these two policies, where is the profiling?
 
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