New Arizona Immigration Law

#626
#626
T-TownVol said:
is there an answer to the question in the near future?

which one trumps the other.....individual rights or greater good of all citizens
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in all cases civil rights........ that's the way this country was set up.

i mean, there's more white people in this country, and definitely were back in the days of slavery... Having free slave labor, i'd dare say was better for the greater good of the country... did it make it right???? HECK NOOOOO
 
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#627
#627
Cash Vallin said:
It's not fair... Hence the reason I say EVERYBODY should have to go through the process... If you agree with that, than I have no problem with the bill at all.
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Everybody does go through the process. It's absolutely fair. I went through it when I got my social security number, Passport, DL etc.

Now, everyone does it, or those caught get the opportunity to GTFO forcibly.
 
#628
#628
Cash Vallin said:
Seriously, a crime is committed by somebody and they don't have their license... (stupid, yes, but not against the law not to have your license)

WHO is going to have to proof their CITIZENSHIP legality more often with this bill???
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then due process will take place.....you act like they will put them on a bus back to Mexico that hour
 
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#629
Cash Vallin said:
Seriously, a crime is committed by somebody and they don't have their license... (stupid, yes, but not against the law not to have your license)

WHO is going to have to proof their CITIZENSHIP legality more often with this bill???
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why does more often matter? It's immaterial.

It's a strawman argument to pretend that people won't have an opportunity to prove their citizenship if they forget their ID.
 
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#633
Cash Vallin said:
in all cases civil rights........ that's the way this country was set up.
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which civil right is being violated?

Are my rights being violated when our government doesn't live up to its constitutionally mandated obligation to protect this land from invasion?
 
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#634
T-TownVol said:
then due process will take place.....you act like they will put them on a bus back to Mexico that hour
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yayyyyyyyyyy, due process... one group has to prove one extra thing while another group doesn't isn't exactly due process...

Due process is the same for EVERY legal citizen... in this case, it won't be and you know it
 
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#635
Cash Vallin said:
in all cases civil rights........ that's the way this country was set up.

i mean, there's more white people in this country, and definitely were back in the days of slavery... Having free slave labor, i'd dare say was better for the greater good of the country... did it make it right???? HECK NOOOOO
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your edit just backs up my truthful claim that your are either a troll spewing this for the fun of it or a complete ignorant fool......I will let you tell us

Yours Truely,
SB
 
#636
#636
Cash Vallin said:
yeah, i know, civil rights be damned as long as the republican white man sees it fit... i get it
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that's retarded. This isn't about the republican white man. This is about AZ residents wanting this, at a 70% clip, which is an enormous majority.
 
#637
#637
that's the whole dang point... if one group has to prove they didn't do something wrong more than another group.... that's racial profiling... can you at least admit that??
 
#639
#639
Cash Vallin said:
yayyyyyyyyyy, due process... one group has to prove one extra thing while another group doesn't isn't exactly due process...

Due process is the same for EVERY legal citizen... in this case, it won't be and you know it
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you said "when someone can't provide papers".....now you change the subject......brilliant

key word is in bold
 
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#640
Cash Vallin said:
Seriously, a crime is committed by somebody and they don't have their license... (stupid, yes, but not against the law not to have your license)

WHO is going to have to proof their CITIZENSHIP legality more often with this bill???
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People who give police reason to believe they aren't citizens.
 
#641
#641
T-TownVol said:
your edit just backs up my truthful claim that your are either a troll spewing this for the fun of it or a complete ignorant fool......I will let you tell us

Yours Truely,
SB
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nope, just adding something that proves your point isn't a point at all.... greater good is a relative and dangerous statement... we could do a ton of things in this country where the majority of folks would be better off (i.e. the greater good)... doesn't make it LEGAL
 
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#647
Cash Vallin said:
that's the whole dang point... if one group has to prove they didn't do something wrong more than another group.... that's racial profiling... can you at least admit that??
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that's just dead wrong. It has nothing to do with statistics - at all.
 
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#648
BigPapaVol said:
that's retarded. This isn't about the republican white man. This is about AZ residents wanting this, at a 70% clip, which is an enormous majority.
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I'd be that almost no one that lives among high illegal populations and doesn't benefit from them is against this law.
 
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