New Arizona Immigration Law

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BeecherVol said:
I have worked around legal and illegal hispanics for the better part of 15 years.
IMO that has been neutralized by the fact that they have shown up on federal program lists and evade the IRS to name a couple.

Should those that have waited for years to get here legally just quit?
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That's kind of the way I see it. Being the son of legal immigrants, I find it easier than most to sympathize with the condition of living they wanted to leave behind, but much harder to sympathize with the way they decided to subvert the rules.
 
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BeecherVol said:
As Cash would put it.

Im for everyone being treated equally. And in this case that would entail deportation, and get in line.

There's my path.
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I just don't think that is realistic, give that many have children here that are now American citizens.

It doesn't really matter anyway, we AREN'T going to be able to deport them all, no matter what. I am saying that from a political will stand point. It's too easy to find some hard-hitting sob stories to sway public opinion and appeal to people's compassion.
 
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IPorange said:
I just don't think that is realistic, give that many have children here that are now American citizens.

It doesn't really matter anyway, we AREN'T going to be able to deport them all, no matter what. I am saying that from a political will stand point. It's too easy to find some hard-hitting sob stories to sway public opinion and appeal to people's compassion.
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They all need to go back home and stand in line, no amnesty for the ones here. Why would we reward people for breaking our laws?

We need to take out the amendment that allows anyone born here to automatically become a citizen.

We didn't bring them here, we don't have to be responsible for deporting them. We need to punish employers for hiring them, make it impossible for them to get any benefits from the govt and then build a wall.
 
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IPorange said:
Why not give them a path to citizenship, if the border is now secure? I think you do not realize what the typical illegal is doing in this country. Most are filling a need.

I would have no problem ejecting any illegal still here that has a felony or drug charge, though. The rest should be given a path to citizenship or legal residency.
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There is a path to citizenship and our illegals have or are skirting. They've shown a willingness to ignore our rules and the need they're filling has diminished rapidly. Americans would today step into that void.

Those you're OK deporting are prisoners. Of course you'd be OK canning them, but they'll be back.

Again, the rest have a path to legal residency but have chosen to ignore it or failed to meet its criteria.
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BigPapaVol said:
There is a path to citizenship and our illegals have or are skirting. They've shown a willingness to ignore our rules and the need they're filling has diminished rapidly. Americans would today step into that void.

Those you're OK deporting are prisoners. Of course you'd be OK canning them, but they'll be back.

Again, the rest have a path to legal residency but have chosen to ignore it or failed to meet its criteria.
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I can attest to this statement! Arrested an illegal for drug trafficking, he was deported. Now he is back living in the same neighborhood and INS knows about it. Have they done anything? No
 
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IPorange said:
Why not give them a path to citizenship, if the border is now secure? I think you do not realize what the typical illegal is doing in this country. Most are filling a need.

I would have no problem ejecting any illegal still here that has a felony or drug charge, though. The rest should be given a path to citizenship or legal residency.
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makes sense to me - path to citizenship and/or guest worker program.
 
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I have a buddy whose cousins are all illegal. somehow all of them are on public assistance with all of them declaring their neighbors kids as dependants to get the child credit (in some cases 3 or 4 families are claiming the same kid). i guess they don't check documentation here.
 
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droski said:
I have a buddy whose cousins are all illegal. somehow all of them are on public assistance with all of them declaring their neighbors kids as dependants to get the child credit (in some cases 3 or 4 families are claiming the same kid). i guess they don't check documentation here.
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of course they don't. That's profiling and unamerican.
 
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IPorange said:
I just don't think that is realistic, give that many have children here that are now American citizens.

It doesn't really matter anyway, we AREN'T going to be able to deport them all, no matter what. I am saying that from a political will stand point. It's too easy to find some hard-hitting sob stories to sway public opinion and appeal to people's compassion.
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Logistically what should be done, never will be.

You put your best effort toward doing was is achievable.
 
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The vast majority of illegal immigrants I've know have proper legal documentation. They purchase birth certificates, SS numbers, etc. of legal citizens, and then obtain a driver's license. It is obviously a black market scheme, and when I ran one's SS number at work it showed up that he died in 1992, and another had his wages garnished for alimony to a woman he never met. In my limited experience, this appears to be a major problem, as illegals assume identities of legals for years, but what laws are there to enforce against this?
 
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dhendri said:
The vast majority of illegal immigrants I've know have proper legal documentation. They purchase birth certificates, SS numbers, etc. of legal citizens, and then obtain a driver's license. It is obviously a black market scheme, and when I ran one's SS number at work it showed up that he died in 1992, and another had his wages garnished for alimony to a woman he never met. In my limited experience, this appears to be a major problem, as illegals assume identities of legals for years, but what laws are there to enforce against this?
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But now asking for those papers and running them should help find some. It won't get all of them, but will help.
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dhendri said:
The vast majority of illegal immigrants I've know have proper legal documentation. They purchase birth certificates, SS numbers, etc. of legal citizens, and then obtain a driver's license. It is obviously a black market scheme, and when I ran one's SS number at work it showed up that he died in 1992, and another had his wages garnished for alimony to a woman he never met. In my limited experience, this appears to be a major problem, as illegals assume identities of legals for years, but what laws are there to enforce against this?
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Why enforce it when they can vote for you in the next election?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
But now asking for those papers and running them should help find some. It won't get all of them, but will help.
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Ok. Thanks BP. Hope we can find something that does help.

And Beecher, I believe you have me pegged for something I'm not, nor want to be.
 
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:hi:

My bad.

General statement as to why the federal immigration law is not enforced, and our border is open like Taco Bell at 10pm.

And why most if not all libs (and a hand full of the right) will oppose any future laws that hinder the voting process.
 
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Reading through this Arizona Immigration Law and several things stand out.

1. A business and hence a potential illegal alien can be investigated based on a COMPLAINT. It doesn't state exactly what that complaint has to be specifically but it can't be based on race. etc.

2. Nowhere does it state supplying a license is valid proof of citizenship. So these police officers are just going to know through Osmosis who's legal and who isn't and who should be investigated and who shouldn't??? All it states is reasonable suspicion. Nowhere do they determine what reasonable suspicion is.

This crap will get shot down in court shortly.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
Reading through this Arizona Immigration Law and several things stand out.

1. A business and hence a potential illegal alien can be investigated based on a COMPLAINT. It doesn't state exactly what that complaint has to be specifically but it can't be based on race. etc.

2. Nowhere does it state supplying a license is valid proof of citizenship. So these police officers are just going to know through Osmosis who's legal and who isn't and who should be investigated and who shouldn't??? All it states is reasonable suspicion. Nowhere do they determine what reasonable suspicion is.

This crap will get shot down in court shortly.
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Yes it does. You just don't have the reading comprehension skills to figure it out. I think this holds up in court, although it will likely have to reach the Supreme Court.
 
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page 3, line 8... IF THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN, DETERMINING WHETHER THE PERSON IS IN
COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION LAWS PRESCRIBED BY TITLE II, CHAPTER
OF THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT.

a license doesn't provide that information.
 
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