New Arizona Immigration Law

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Cash Vallin said:
Reading through this Arizona Immigration Law and several things stand out.

1. A business and hence a potential illegal alien can be investigated based on a COMPLAINT. It doesn't state exactly what that complaint has to be specifically but it can't be based on race. etc.

2. Nowhere does it state supplying a license is valid proof of citizenship. So these police officers are just going to know through Osmosis who's legal and who isn't and who should be investigated and who shouldn't??? All it states is reasonable suspicion. Nowhere do they determine what reasonable suspicion is.

This crap will get shot down in court shortly.
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you must be kidding me. earlier in this thread i posted the exact part of this law that says a license is a valid proof of citizenship. this is really pathetic.
 
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IPorange said:
Why not give them a path to citizenship, if the border is now secure? I think you do not realize what the typical illegal is doing in this country. Most are filling a need.

I would have no problem ejecting any illegal still here that has a felony or drug charge, though. The rest should be given a path to citizenship or legal residency.
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The borders are not secure.

The policy you advocate is a slap in the face to all those people who have immigrated to America legally and did the many things neccessary to gain citizenship.

We did that thirty years ago for 3 million and were told that would solve the problem, now we are asked to do it for about 30 million, do you think that is more than just a bandaid on a major hemorage??




Cash Vallin said:
unless you're an alien.
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Unless you are an alien who has crossed the border into America illegally.

Name all the countries of the world, other than America, who allow the free flow of any and all people into their country without any sort of repercussion???
 
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droski said:
you must be kidding me. earlier in this thread i posted the exact part of this law that says a license is a valid proof of citizenship. this is really pathetic.
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What are you saying? Don't you know that Cash is known far and wide for his amazing mathematical and reading comprehension abilities.
 
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I wasn't saying the border is secure right now. I was saying if we lock down the border successfully, I would tend towards leniency for those already here.
 
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IPorange said:
I wasn't saying the border is secure right now. I was saying if we lock down the border successfully, I would tend towards leniency for those already here.
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I think people have to be deported. We simply have too many, in my opinion. How many of them have kids who are legal citizens? If that number isn't very high, maybe they could stay, but I feel like it would be too high.
 
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The key is having a secure border before we start to think about granting amnesty. The problem is that short of building a large barrier which would be extremely expensive, take decades to complete properly, and would most likely only cut down those entering illegally not solving the problem completely.

We must solve this problem with a multi- tier approach. We must punish those who employ illegals severely enough to stop illegals being hired. We must somehow force Mexico to address the problems in their country that lead to so many workers seeking work and a better life here. After this is done we could grant amnesty on a conditional path to citizenship, any criminal offenses committed during that time would end all possibilities of citizenship and all those who entered the country illegally will go to the back of the line, we want to award those who sought a better life in this country the right way.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I think people have to be deported. We simply have too many, in my opinion. How many of them have kids who are legal citizens? If that number isn't very high, maybe they could stay, but I feel like it would be too high.
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I don't think we have an overpopulation issue... I'm not sure what "too many" is referring to.
 
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IPorange said:
I don't think we have an overpopulation issue... I'm not sure what "too many" is referring to.
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What do you mean? Even if they're paying taxes, a lot of the other problems will still exist. I also don't like the idea of just condoning and rewarding the behavior. I'd say that some exceptions could be made for certain circumstances, but the vast majority should have to go back. Definitely any of them with a history of crime or something like similar to that.

The ones that stay shouldn't have any easy path to citizenship, either. I'd say they should have to go about the entire process as if they're just now legally immigrated. By that I mean green card, and they should have to go through the normal process of living here for years before they become citizens.
 
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IPorange said:
I don't think we have an overpopulation issue... I'm not sure what "too many" is referring to.
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too many is when there aren't nearly enough jobs available and therefore they are a multi billion $$$$ net drain to the economy and local services. we reached that point millions of illegals ago IMO. and i'm not sure the average landlord in LA would agree that there isn't an overpopulation issue.
 
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droski said:
too many is when there aren't nearly enough jobs available and therefore they are a multi billion $$$$ net drain to the economy and local services. we reached that point millions of illegals ago IMO. and i'm not sure the average landlord in LA would agree that there isn't an overpopulation issue.
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It's getting more interesting with boycott calls from California.
 
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Many of the boycott calls are coming from those who need the Hispanic vote to win, get them turned on you and you're toast in LA. It's a shame republicans and democrats through our federal government have allowed the American public to become hostage on this issue.
 
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KB5252 said:
Many of the boycott calls are coming from those who need the Hispanic vote to win, get them turned on you and you're toast in LA. It's a shame republicans and democrats through our federal government have allowed the American public to become hostage on this issue.
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Welcome to politics.
 
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KB5252 said:
Many of the boycott calls are coming from those who need the Hispanic vote to win, get them turned on you and you're toast in LA. It's a shame republicans and democrats through our federal government have allowed the American public to become hostage on this issue.
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villaragosa (la mayor) is just an idiot. this is the same guy who changed his name from villar because he didn't think it sounded hispanic enough to get him elected. he'll do whatever the unions and his illegal immigrant advocate buddies tell him to do. he's a puppet. arguably the worst LA mayor ever and this is a city that had tom bradley as mayor.
 
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droski said:
you must be kidding me. earlier in this thread i posted the exact part of this law that says a license is a valid proof of citizenship. this is really pathetic.
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unless you're an alien, and yes there are legal ones of those. maybe you should read closer p. 3, line 8 i believe
 
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reposted for cash:
the revalant text:
For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person… A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification
 
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It's already federal law that you are to have your green card on your person when you are out and about... My mother carries her's.
 
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