New Arizona Immigration Law

[gsvol]

Not cool.

It's ok though because gringos aren't cool anyway!!

Interesting question, do you know where and how come the word 'gringo' came into being??

the things one does to expose a troll.

An ugly troll at that, who likes to call girls 'hitler.'

 

[UTvol1fn]

Why enforce it when they can vote for you in the next election?

ding ding ding ding ding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gsvol]

ding ding ding ding ding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bingo, we have a winner of the rubber ducky race! :good!:

 

[Vols520]

Bingo, we have a winner of the rubber ducky race! :good!:

You on suicide watch tonight? An arab-american won the Miss USA contest.

 

[gsvol]

You on suicide watch tonight? An arab-american won the Miss USA contest.

When, if ever you get over your own gamesh then do come crying to me if someone cuts your little schmucky little throat. OK?

Rima FakihMiss USA Pageant Sponsor Attacked “Whites,” Bragged About Dad’s Massacre of Jews, is 9/11 Truther, Anti-Israel

But I have a cousin who invested in a half million dollars in muslim prayer rugs, in case you don't have one already, I can get you a good deal.

If you knew the Egyptian, Bosnian, Ethiopian, Iraqi, Iranian and Lebanese Christian refugees that I know, then you woudln't be such an ass.

As one immigrant Slovenian said to me when I asked him what he thought of Clinton's Kosovo policy; "you know the muslims cut your throat if you don't become a muslim don't you?" (as tears formed in his eyes)

People like you make me be ashamed to be called an American.

 

[IPorange]

If you're ashamed to be an American, what country would you not be ashamed of?

 

[Vols520]

When, if ever you get over your own gamesh then do come crying to me if someone cuts your little schmucky little throat. OK?

Rima FakihMiss USA Pageant Sponsor Attacked “Whites,” Bragged About Dad’s Massacre of Jews, is 9/11 Truther, Anti-Israel

But I have a cousin who invested in a half million dollars in muslim prayer rugs, in case you don't have one already, I can get you a good deal.

If you knew the Egyptian, Bosnian, Ethiopian, Iraqi, Iranian and Lebanese Christian refugees that I know, then you woudln't be such an ass.

As one immigrant Slovenian said to me when I asked him what he thought of Clinton's Kosovo policy; "you know the muslims cut your throat if you don't become a muslim don't you?" (as tears formed in his eyes)

People like you make me be ashamed to be called an American.

People like you just make me laugh.

 

[Vols520]

If you're ashamed to be an American, what country would you not be ashamed of?

I am guessing Narnia or Tatooine.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Narnia is as rascist as I will get out.... so is Tatooine!

 

[tri_vol]

Here is something for you guys to debate. It seems that that the spirit of the AZ law has come to Tennessee.

My nephew is Puerto Rican (territory of the US in case you didn't know) and was born and raised in East Tennessee, huge vol fan and sounds as country as Jim Bob Cooter. The other night he and his girlfriend were on their way home from the prom. He is only 16 so his girlfriend (who is white) was driving.

They were stopped at a roadblock and she gave her liscense to the officer. Everything was cool. They asked my nephew for his identification. He didn't have any.
They asked for his liscense. He explained that he was only 16 and only had a permit. They asked for his permit and he explained that he left it at home.
They asked why he didn't have his permit on him and he explained that since he wasn't going to be driving that night he didn't see a need to bring it and left it on his dresser.
At this point they asked him to step out of the car and he complied.
The officers patted him down, searched him with a drug sniffing dog and detained him for 45 minutes before releasing him. They did not do anything to his girlfriend.

Neither him or his girlfriend had been drinking or using drugs. He is a straight "A" student and has never been in trouble. Coming from the prom he was not dressed like a thug. Actually his mother would never let him dress that way.

So basically he was detained and searched because of the color of his skin.

My questions: How would you feel if that was your nephew or son? Someone please make an attempt to explain how that situation was justified or even remotely fair? I really want to hear an explanation.

 

[KB5252]

Here is something for you guys to debate. It seems that that the spirit of the AZ law has come to Tennessee.

My nephew is Puerto Rican (territory of the US in case you didn't know) and was born and raised in East Tennessee, huge vol fan and sounds as country as Jim Bob Cooter. The other night he and his girlfriend were on their way home from the prom. He is only 16 so his girlfriend (who is white) was driving.

They were stopped at a roadblock and she gave her liscense to the officer. Everything was cool. They asked my nephew for his identification. He didn't have any.
They asked for his liscense. He explained that he was only 16 and only had a permit. They asked for his permit and he explained that he left it at home.
They asked why he didn't have his permit on him and he explained that since he wasn't going to be driving that night he didn't see a need to bring it and left it on his dresser.
At this point they asked him to step out of the car and he complied.
The officers patted him down, searched him with a drug sniffing dog and detained him for 45 minutes before releasing him. They did not do anything to his girlfriend.

Neither him or his girlfriend had been drinking or using drugs. He is a straight "A" student and has never been in trouble. Coming from the prom he was not dressed like a thug. Actually his mother would never let him dress that way.

So basically he was detained and searched because of the color of his skin.

My questions: How would you feel if that was your nephew or son? Someone please make an attempt to explain how that situation was justified or even remotely fair? I really want to hear an explanation.

I'm sorry but this incident doesn't reflect on "the spirit" of the AZ law.

It isn't fair and after the kid gave the explanation for not having ID and the cops were satisfied no illegal activity was going on they should have been on their way. The cops don't know anything about this kid or his academic standing, my guess is he was patted down and his date wasn't because she was a female and the officers were male. They focused on the male they could pat down because according to policy male officers should keep from patting down females when possible.

Perhaps they busted his chops a little too much, it does sound like it went on too long IMO.

 

[utvolpj]

So basically he was detained and searched because of the color of his skin.

My questions: How would you feel if that was your nephew or son? Someone please make an attempt to explain how that situation was justified or even remotely fair? I really want to hear an explanation.

I would say it's more likely he was detained and searched for being 16yo. There is also the version 16yo kids tell their parents and the version that actually happened.

I don't have a kid but I would probably react the same way my parents did- laugh it off.

 

[KB5252]

I would say it's more likely he was detained and searched for being 16yo. There is also the version 16yo kids tell their parents and the version that actually happened.

I don't have a kid but I would probably react the same way my parents did- laugh it off.

Good point, I was pulled over pretty regularly when I was teenager. I would think it being prom night also factored in.

 

[tri_vol]

I'm sorry but this incident doesn't reflect on "the spirit" of the AZ law.

It isn't fair and after the kid gave the explanation for not having ID and the cops were satisfied no illegal activity was going on they should have been on their way. The cops don't know anything about this kid or his academic standing, my guess is he was patted down and his date wasn't because she was a female and the officers were male. They focused on the male they could pat down because according to policy male officers should keep from patting down females when possible.

Perhaps they busted his chops a little too much, it does sound like it went on too long IMO.

I think you're correct for the spirit part, I overstated it for dramatic effect. It's my understanding that in AZ someone has to be engaged in an illegal activity before they can be questioned. As for the girl I understand why she wasn't patted down. But why didn't they bring the drug dog over to chek her out?

My point is he wasn't engaged in anything remotely illegal so why the harrasment. I understand that the police have a job to do and I want them to do it. My philosophy is if you don't want to be bothered by the cops obey the law. But on the flip side, if you're obeying the law, then you shouldn't be questioned like you're doing something illegal.

I posted this for all those people who try to argue that things like this would never happen or it's no big deal. Really stop and think how you would feel if you or your relative was stopped while driving through Alabama for nothing more than wearing an orange shirt. I doubt you would say it's no big deal.

 

[tri_vol]

I would say it's more likely he was detained and searched for being 16yo. There is also the version 16yo kids tell their parents and the version that actually happened.

I don't have a kid but I would probably react the same way my parents did- laugh it off.

If that's the case why did his girlfriend not recieve the same treatment?

 

[tri_vol]

Good point, I was pulled over pretty regularly when I was teenager. I would think it being prom night also factored in.

I understand why they were stopped. Roadblocks are usually set up on prom night and it's a good thing. But you really want me to believe that he was detained for 45 minutes and searched with a drug dog and then let go because he was 16 and it was prom night? Come on you've got to do better than that.

 

[utvolpj]

If that's the case why did his girlfriend not recieve the same treatment?

because this is all hearsay at this point. He claims 45min and drug dogs while I seriously doubt that happened. Did he say anything smart to the officers? It's not out of the realm of possibilities for a 16yo boy.

You believe every word because it's family. I think back to the times I felt wronged as a teenager and now know it was pretty much my fault. He should chalk it up to a life lesson and realize it was probably a pretty minor event

 

[KB5252]

I think you're correct for the spirit part, I overstated it for dramatic effect. It's my understanding that in AZ someone has to be engaged in an illegal activity before they can be questioned. As for the girl I understand why she wasn't patted down. But why didn't they bring the drug dog over to chek her out?

My point is he wasn't engaged in anything remotely illegal so why the harrasment. I understand that the police have a job to do and I want them to do it. My philosophy is if you don't want to be bothered by the cops obey the law. But on the flip side, if you're obeying the law, then you shouldn't be questioned like you're doing something illegal.

I posted this for all those people who try to argue that things like this would never happen or it's no big deal. Really stop and think how you would feel if you or your relative was stopped while driving through Alabama for nothing more than wearing an orange shirt. I doubt you would say it's no big deal.

The police have no idea whether or not you are breaking the law until they pull you over and make contact though.

People get stopped all the time by police, perhaps these particular officers were part of a drug unit (makes sense considering they had a K-9) and were tasked with checking out prom night revelers as well that weekend. The dog was probably taken around the car as well as the kid in question.

 

[KB5252]

It is just as probable the kid didn't interpret what was going on the right way. What he perceived as being singled out is actually a pretty standard police procedure. You split the two up and ask them questions about what they are doing, if the stories don't match up you have a problem. He was taken out of the car because the officers know statistically that he is more of a threat than the female. I think you and he are running on assumptions because he felt wronged when in reality it was probably just a matter of police procedure.

 

[tri_vol]

because this is all hearsay at this point. He claims 45min and drug dogs while I seriously doubt that happened. Did he say anything smart to the officers? It's not out of the realm of possibilities for a 16yo boy.

You believe every word because it's family. I think back to the times I felt wronged as a teenager and now know it was pretty much my fault. He should chalk it up to a life lesson and realize it was probably a pretty minor event

I tend to believe cause he's a fairly honest kid. I'm not the type that stands by family no matter what. Some of my relatives have gotten in trouble. I don't think they are victims just stupid.

But I don't doubt this happened in a small Tennessee town because it's my family but because it happens more often than people think or want to believe.

 

[tri_vol]

It is just as probable the kid didn't interpret what was going on the right way. What he perceived as being singled out is actually a pretty standard police procedure. You split the two up and ask them questions about what they are doing, if the stories don't match up you have a problem. He was taken out of the car because the officers know statistically that he is more of a threat than the female. I think you and he are running on assumptions because he felt wronged when in reality it was probably just a matter of police procedure.

I can see the basis for parts of that argument and where it would make sense. But why make some get out of the car if he has not been drinking or taking drugs? He was asked to get out because he didn't have identification. There was no basis for suspicious acivity. That part doesn't make sense.

 

[utvolpj]

and unless the kid was asked about his legal status then this has nothing to do with the AZ law

 

[CountVolcula]

I tend to believe cause he's a fairly honest kid. I'm not the type that stands by family no matter what. Some of my relatives have gotten in trouble. I don't think they are victims just stupid.

But I don't doubt this happened in a small Tennessee town because it's my family but because it happens more often than people think or want to believe.

Does your nephew live in Virginia?

The reason I ask, is certain parts of Virginia are a hot bed for MS-13. Tennessee and Kentucky also. The reason, they are coming in here is to control the Marijuana trade in these States. Tennessee ,Virginia, and Kentucky are in the top five of Marijuana growing States.

Your nephew may not be involved, but officers do not know this at the time a stop is made. Officers try their best to be fair and do their jobs too.

Most officers have family and the first priority is to go home to that family everyday. That is why we pat people down prior to speaking with them. Traffic stops are the second deadliest thing an officer can do on his/her shift, second only to domestic disturbances.

The fact is officers dont know if the next person they pull over is the one thats going to kill them.

YouTube - Deputy shot in the face during a traffic stop AND LIVES

 

[droski]

If that's the case why did his girlfriend not recieve the same treatment?

because she is a women. sexism is alive and well in our police forces. basically the same thing you describe happened to me twice when i was a kid. my female companion was not put into the same situation. in my case i think the cops just got pissed at me because they thought i was an arrogant rich kid. i tried to be respectful, but i don't think it came off that way. and even if this happened soley because the kid wasn't white that still doesn't mean the arizona law shouldn't be implemented. by that theory we should void virtually every law on the books.

 

[CountVolcula]

because she is a women. sexism is alive and well in our police forces. basically the same thing you describe happened to me twice when i was a kid. my female companion was not put into the same situation. in my case i think the cops just got pissed at me because they thought i was an arrogant rich kid. i tried to be respectful, but i don't think it came off that way. and even if this happened soley because the kid wasn't white that still doesn't mean the arizona law shouldn't be implemented. by that theory we should void virtually every law on the books.

Women are less likely to assault and kill an officer. Not saying it couldnt or it hasnt happened, but it doesnt happen as frequently as with males.