New Arizona Immigration Law

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tri_vol said:
Here is something for you guys to debate. It seems that that the spirit of the AZ law has come to Tennessee.

My nephew is Puerto Rican (territory of the US in case you didn't know) and was born and raised in East Tennessee, huge vol fan and sounds as country as Jim Bob Cooter. The other night he and his girlfriend were on their way home from the prom. He is only 16 so his girlfriend (who is white) was driving.

They were stopped at a roadblock and she gave her liscense to the officer. Everything was cool. They asked my nephew for his identification. He didn't have any.
They asked for his liscense. He explained that he was only 16 and only had a permit. They asked for his permit and he explained that he left it at home.
They asked why he didn't have his permit on him and he explained that since he wasn't going to be driving that night he didn't see a need to bring it and left it on his dresser.
At this point they asked him to step out of the car and he complied.
The officers patted him down, searched him with a drug sniffing dog and detained him for 45 minutes before releasing him. They did not do anything to his girlfriend.

Neither him or his girlfriend had been drinking or using drugs. He is a straight "A" student and has never been in trouble. Coming from the prom he was not dressed like a thug. Actually his mother would never let him dress that way.

So basically he was detained and searched because of the color of his skin.

My questions: How would you feel if that was your nephew or son? Someone please make an attempt to explain how that situation was justified or even remotely fair? I really want to hear an explanation.
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Even assuming he was harassed based on his skin color, how does this have anything to do with the Arizona law? It merely shows that the real problem with profiling is not with laws as written, it is a problem with how they are enforced. As your story shows, these problems are inherent in EVERY law (TN has no parallel to the Arizona law, but still managed to do the same as what is feared of the AZ law). This problem, then, is not exclusive to Arizona's law and is silly to be used as an argument against it.
 
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Thankfully no. My family has some dim bulbs but even they wouldn't blast something they never took the time to read.
 
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My guess is the major players in the Obama admin actually have read the law, know that it is well written and is in keeping with federal laws already on the books. They cannot challenge the law as it is written (because it is in keeping with federal laws already on the books) so their strategy is to criticize it in a generic way by insinuating it as racist and discriminatory, playing on the fears of Hispanic and other minorities.

I have been wondering if this law wasn't really a set up to challenge the lack of enforcement of our federal laws dealing with this subject. More or less the idea that AZ very well might be trying to force the hand of this administration. I'm not really buying it but it has crossed my mind a few times.
 
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KB5252 said:
My guess is the major players in the Obama admin actually have read the law, know that it is well written and is in keeping with federal laws already on the books. They cannot challenge the law as it is written (because it is in keeping with federal laws already on the books) so their strategy is to criticize it in a generic way by insinuating it as racist and discriminatory, playing on the fears of Hispanic and other minorities.

I have been wondering if this law wasn't really a set up to challenge the lack of enforcement of our federal laws dealing with this subject. More or less the idea that AZ very well might be trying to force the hand of this administration. I'm not really buying it but it has crossed my mind a few times.
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What do you mean? That's exactly what this was. I thought the governor even said as much.
 
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IPorange said:
What do you mean? That's exactly what this was. I thought the governor even said as much.
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That they would go this far this far to force the hand of the Obama admin without planning to carry through with their law and enforce it.

I didn't realize they had said it was a plot to force the Obama admin to enforce the laws already on the books.
 
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This is why we need the Arizona law:
Supposedly from a protest rally in LA recently.
 

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Cash Vallin said:
I don't care if that's all it would amount to is a simple questioning... I'm just guessing in Cheatham County, you've never been questioned because you're white. You'd have an issue with it, I promise
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I live in Arizona, I can guarantee you that 90% of the white people in this state would be more than happy to show a driver's license EVERY time they get stopped by police.
 
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Vol423 said:
I live in Arizona, I can guarantee you that 90% of the white people in this state would be more than happy to show a driver's license EVERY time they get stopped by police.
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You can't argue with him. He lives in Nashville, making him an expert at race relations around the world.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
the BURDEN of PROOF is on the state, not the one being questioned. OUr legal system was set up in such a way where 100 guilty men get an innocent verdict just to make sure 1 innocent person doesn't gets a guitly verdict.
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I take it that you're yet another individual that chooses to criticize the Arizona law as being illegal and unconstitutional, like our esteemed U.S. Attorney General, when you haven't read the law.
 
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