New forum: Coaching Rumors and Speculation

[sjrobert]

Fantasy: Finally this joke is put to rest. I wish the same cast of goofy characters would quit calling into the talk shows with their under-researched opinions on why we need Jon Gruden. If we were going to pay someone big dollars to coach, we needed to get a guy with proven, big game college experience. Not a guy that has never been a coordinator or head coach that was fired in the NFL. Or won a superbowl with dungee's players. Granted NFL wins are much harder to attain than college wins, but there isn't any evidence that would make someone that does their research believe Gruden would do a stand up job. It's another crapshoot just like DD. All this talk is based on emotion because the guy was a grad assitant here at UT.

Reality: If you are going to pay the big $$ you have to go for the proven college 'head' coaches that can recruit and DEVELOP their players. Not an ESPN analyst. A coach that can take a 3 star guy and make him into a 4 star guy by developing his body and teaching him fundamentals he didn't get in high school. IE: Meyer, Tressel, Patterson, Petersen, or Stoops.

Business 101. Don't hire the guy (Dooley/Gruden) in the mail room that has no practical experience to take over the CEO's spot. Just because he looks good, sounds good, and is witty, doesn't mean he can get the job done. Hire the guy with the experience in your field that has been successful and has a track record of growing the business.

Now let's move on to a real college football coaching candidate.

You make some good points. And, Gruden must have absolutely loved the attention he was getting as it probably improved his market value a bit (even in the NFL), at least temporarily.

 

[Vol4ever]

The sky is falling!!!! LOL

 

[thegasman54]

so is Jimbo interviewing today or what?

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

Personally, I wish everyone would calm down a bit. Even if our next coach isn't a household name, that doesn't mean we're in trouble. Urban Meyer wasn't Urban Meyer before he came to Florida (I know he led Utah to a 12-0 season, but that's Utah). Nick Saban wasn't Nick Saban before he won @ LSU (VERY average record at Michigan State). Same with Les Miles and Mark Richt.

Getting a proven head coach w/wide name recognition would be nice (and certainly better for the fanbase as a whole), but don't get down if we don't--It certainly won't help recruiting any if we sign a coach and the country hears a collective groan from the state of TN. Whoever it ends up being, we need to give him a chance to win before we start crucifying him and Hart.

 

[Neylandsmaxims]

Personally, I wish everyone would calm down a bit. Even if our next coach isn't a household name, that doesn't mean we're in trouble. Urban Meyer wasn't Urban Meyer before he came to Florida (I know he led Utah to a 12-0 season, but that's Utah). Nick Saban wasn't Nick Saban before he won @ LSU (VERY average record at Michigan State). Same with Les Miles and Mark Richt.

Getting a proven head coach w/wide name recognition would be nice (and certainly better for the fanbase as a whole), but don't get down if we don't--It certainly won't help recruiting any if we sign a coach and the country hears a collective groan from the state of TN. Whoever it ends up being, we need to give him a chance to win before we start crucifying him and Hart.

I doubt most true informed football fans would need to Google "Urban Meyer".

 

[boomer0034]

Everyone starts with a small name before they become a big name. Unless you're dale Earnhardt jr haha

 

[Neylandsmaxims]

If I have to google the new coach's name, then it's a fail.

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

I doubt most true informed football fans would need to Google "Urban Meyer".

I wasn't talking about anyone not knowing who he was. The point was that no one considered any of those people as among the best coaches in football until they came to the big schools and won. Most people on these boards are acting like we're doomed unless we get a big name like those mentioned.

 

[Diceman]

I wasn't talking about anyone not knowing who he was. The point was that no one considered any of those people as among the best coaches in football until they came to the big schools and won. Most people on these boards are acting like we're doomed unless we get a big name like those mentioned.

I thought what you said was pretty clear and made plenty of sense, fwiw.

 

[MikeVol44]

Fantasy: Finally this joke is put to rest. I wish the same cast of goofy characters would quit calling into the talk shows with their under-researched opinions on why we need Jon Gruden. If we were going to pay someone big dollars to coach, we needed to get a guy with proven, big game college experience. Not a guy that has never been a coordinator or head coach that was fired in the NFL. Or won a superbowl with dungee's players. Granted NFL wins are much harder to attain than college wins, but there isn't any evidence that would make someone that does their research believe Gruden would do a stand up job. It's another crapshoot just like DD. All this talk is based on emotion because the guy was a grad assitant here at UT.

Reality: If you are going to pay the big $$ you have to go for the proven college 'head' coaches that can recruit and DEVELOP their players. Not an ESPN analyst. A coach that can take a 3 star guy and make him into a 4 star guy by developing his body and teaching him fundamentals he didn't get in high school. IE: Meyer, Tressel, Patterson, Petersen, or Stoops.

Business 101. Don't hire the guy (Dooley/Gruden) in the mail room that has no practical experience to take over the CEO's spot. Just because he looks good, sounds good, and is witty, doesn't mean he can get the job done. Hire the guy with the experience in your field that has been successful and has a track record of growing the business.

Now let's move on to a real college football coaching candidate.

You know--there's a saying: "it's better to be stupid and have people think so than to open your mouth and confirm it."

Gruden BUILT the Oakland Raiders into a Super Bowl team and had them in the playoffs at least two straight years! They were useless for almost a decade before he came and they've been useless since he left. Bill Callahan coached the GRUDEN-built Raiders to a loss in the Super Bowl against the Tampa Bay Bucs--the team Gruden coached to a win against the Raiders. Gruden showed enough class in that victory to give Tony Dungy his props when accepting the Lombardi trophy. And the Tampa Bay Bucs have been terrible since he left.

Gruden would be THE GUY to restore instant relevance to the VOLS in the SEC and restore our ability to get the GREAT recruits needed to have us competing for championships by 2014-2015...

NO OTHER COACH out there will be able to do that...NONE! :salute:

 

[douglas67]

You know--there's a saying: "it's better to be stupid and have people think so than to open your mouth and confirm it."

Gruden BUILT the Oakland Raiders into a Super Bowl team and had them in the playoffs at least two straight years! They were useless for almost a decade before he came and they've been useless since he left. Bill Callahan coached the GRUDEN-built Raiders to a loss in the Super Bowl against the Tampa Bay Bucs--the team Gruden coached to a win against the Raiders. Gruden showed enough class in that victory to give Tony Dungy his props when accepting the Lombardi trophy. And the Tampa Bay Bucs have been terrible since he left.

Gruden would be THE GUY to restore instant relevance to the VOLS in the SEC and restore our ability to get the GREAT recruits needed to have us competing for championships by 2014-2015...

NO OTHER COACH out there will be able to do that...NONE! :salute:

In that case, I hope accepts the position. Cant believe he wouldn't do so. Afterall, I'm sure he is aware of this as well??


C'Mon people. There are 50-60 people capable of turning this program around!! Don't think we are a special case here. We are Tennessee, it's not difficult. To think this program needs one person, only one person to turn it around, is the most erogant statement I have ever heard. Act like were a program of ****ing puketard's!! I know a majority of our fans are puketards.

Thank God John Hart is making this call. GO VOLS!!!

 

[MikeVol44]

Personally, I wish everyone would calm down a bit. Even if our next coach isn't a household name, that doesn't mean we're in trouble. Urban Meyer wasn't Urban Meyer before he came to Florida (I know he led Utah to a 12-0 season, but that's Utah). Nick Saban wasn't Nick Saban before he won @ LSU (VERY average record at Michigan State). Same with Les Miles and Mark Richt.

Getting a proven head coach w/wide name recognition would be nice (and certainly better for the fanbase as a whole), but don't get down if we don't--It certainly won't help recruiting any if we sign a coach and the country hears a collective groan from the state of TN. Whoever it ends up being, we need to give him a chance to win before we start crucifying him and Hart.

This is what makes stupid fans: getting all of their information from the internet instead of knowing very much about college football.

Saban took Michigan State from nothing to being able to beat teams Ranked number 1 in the nation and all of the traditional behemoths in the Big 10--something that hadn't happened in 30 years for Sparty.

ADs and Football coaches knew he was the real deal and that's what landed him the LSU gig. LSU didn't make Saban a good coach...LSU only had 3 winning seasons in the 90's--but have won no less than 8 games in a year since HE left...HE BUILT THEM back up and left the PLAN to KEEP THEM relevant after his departure. :salute:

 

[MikeVol44]

In that case, I hope accepts the position. Cant believe he wouldn't do so. Afterall, I'm sure he is aware of this as well??


C'Mon people. There are 50-60 people capable of turning this program around!! Don't think we are a special case here. We are Tennessee, it's not difficult. To think this program needs one person, only one person to turn it around, is the most erogant statement I have ever heard. Act like were a program of ****ing puketard's!! I know a majority of our fans are puketards.

Thank God John Hart is making this call. GO VOLS!!!

I guess there were 50-60 people who could have turned Alabama around, too....ONE PERSON did make THE difference...

"erogant"--is that a word? John Hart?? Who does he work for--certainly not Tennessee!

Read the post again and NOTICE the key phrases were:

instant relevance...great recruits...competing in 2 yrs...

I did not say that another coach wouldn't be able to restore our program--but that Gruden would have us back to championships SOONER than any other coach.

I personally want Patterson from TCU if Gruden is not the guy....but they don't ask me--or I wouldn't be posting on here.

 

[douglas67]

This is what makes stupid fans: getting all of their information from the internet instead of knowing very much about college football.

Saban took Michigan State from nothing to being able to beat teams Ranked number 1 in the nation and all of the traditional behemoths in the Big 10--something that hadn't happened in 30 years for Sparty.

ADs and Football coaches knew he was the real deal and that's what landed him the LSU gig. LSU didn't make Saban a good coach...LSU only had 3 winning seasons in the 90's--but have won no less than 8 games in a year since HE left...HE BUILT THEM back up and left the PLAN to KEEP THEM relevant after his departure. :salute:

Sorry I didn't spell a word right Puketard. That's why Saban has the 7th best winning percentage in MSU history. Dantonio has actually done a better job Michigan State.


Jonny, Jonny, Please take the UT job.....MikeVol44 is convinced your the only MAN for the job.

Wake up Dude!! When you get out of that Orange colored closet let me know.

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

This is what makes stupid fans: getting all of their information from the internet instead of knowing very much about college football.

Saban took Michigan State from nothing to being able to beat teams Ranked number 1 in the nation and all of the traditional behemoths in the Big 10--something that hadn't happened in 30 years for Sparty.

ADs and Football coaches knew he was the real deal and that's what landed him the LSU gig. LSU didn't make Saban a good coach...LSU only had 3 winning seasons in the 90's--but have won no less than 8 games in a year since HE left...HE BUILT THEM back up and left the PLAN to KEEP THEM relevant after his departure. :salute:

If you're talking about me, you desparately need to work on your ability to comprehend what you read. I did not say, nor did I imply, that he wasn't a good coach at Michigan State. I simply stated that his record was very average (34-24-1). I used this as a means of illustrating my point that Nick Saban wasn't considered one of the best coaches in football at the time (even though he was). I was making said point because people on here are acting like we're doomed if we fail to hire someone who everyone already considers one of the best coaches in the country. I apparently gave too much credit in expecting people to use just a bit of deductive reasoning in understanding the point I was making.

 

[MikeVol44]

Sorry I didn't spell a word right Puketard. That's why Saban has the 7th best winning percentage in MSU history. Dantonio has actually done a better job Michigan State.

That's right....Dantonio's team sure looked GOOD and he looked to be the Superior coach when Sparty ran into that Bama team a few years ago in a Bowl Game--what was the final score?

 

[1972 Grad]

If I have to google the new coach's name, then it's a fail.

1) If he is a big name and successful at a big time program, then he won't take the job? i.e. Saban, Meyer, Gruden

2) If he is a big name and not successful at a big time program, then the fans don't want him. i.e. Zook

3) If he is a small name at a small time program, then the fans don't want him. i.e. the guy at No. Illinois

4) If he is successful at a good program, but maybe outside or near the top 25, then the fans don't want him. i.e. Fedora, Briles

The way I look at it, there is NO WAY to hire a football coach that will satisfy this fan base. Let's do like ETSU and drop football.

 

[MikeVol44]

If you're talking about me, you desparately need to work on your ability to comprehend what you read. I did not say, nor did I imply, that he wasn't a good coach at Michigan State. I simply stated that his record was very average (34-24-1). I used this as a means of illustrating my point that Nick Saban wasn't considered one of the best coaches in football at the time (even though he was). I was making said point because people on here are acting like we're doomed if we fail to hire someone who everyone already considers one of the best coaches in the country. I apparently gave too much credit in expecting people to use just a bit of deductive reasoning in understanding the point I was making.

yeah, I was talking about you and yes--I did comprehend correctly what you were saying. I shouldn't have made the "stupid fan" comment--please forgive me, that was wrong.

However, I do remember and actually am old enough to have watched MSU when Saban was coaching there. He did bring life into that program that was dead for the last 30 years in the Big 10. My point was that his record there WASN'T the measure of his coaching ability and EVERYONE in college football knew it.

My point also in this thread is to ask--where is the guy who looks like the next Saban out of all the available coaches out there? Is it Briles? Is it Fedora? Is it Shaw out at Stanford? Is it Butch Jones?

I think we are close enough and with the right hire will be competitive sooner rather than later--and I wanted Gruden. So, I guess that is what puts me in the Big Orange Closet?
:salute:

 

[JohnMarxism]

You know--there's a saying: "it's better to be stupid and have people think so than to open your mouth and confirm it."

Gruden BUILT the Oakland Raiders into a Super Bowl team and had them in the playoffs at least two straight years! They were useless for almost a decade before he came and they've been useless since he left. Bill Callahan coached the GRUDEN-built Raiders to a loss in the Super Bowl against the Tampa Bay Bucs--the team Gruden coached to a win against the Raiders. Gruden showed enough class in that victory to give Tony Dungy his props when accepting the Lombardi trophy. And the Tampa Bay Bucs have been terrible since he left.

Gruden would be THE GUY to restore instant relevance to the VOLS in the SEC and restore our ability to get the GREAT recruits needed to have us competing for championships by 2014-2015...

NO OTHER COACH out there will be able to do that...NONE! :salute:

Please tell me you are a troll

 

[douglas67]

That's not a troll!!!

Jonny, Jonny, he's our man, if he cant do it no one can!!

Gawd Almighty!! If we dont hire Jonny Gruden our Football team is going to hell in a handbasket!!

Jon Gruden is a JOKE!!!!

Man hasn't coached a ****ing game in 5 years!! Has the luxery all of us do. Arm Chair Coach!!

 

[sjrobert]

I doubt most true informed football fans would need to Google "Urban Meyer".

Not today, but they would have before he went to UF, even if he did win at Utah. That was Utah after all.

 

[1972 Grad]

Not today, but they would have before he went to UF, even if he did win at Utah. That was Utah after all.

How many people know the name of the coach at Utah State right now? They are in the top 25 I think. How about the current Utah coach?

 

[douglas67]

June Jones.....106-75!! Taken SMU to 4 Bowl games. Took Hawaii to Sugar Bowl. With our facilities, budget, his knowledge to be able to recruit in the South.....He is a given For the Job. He is 59 years old, that is a good 10 years left. He could take our tema to a Bowl game next year. We all seem to concentrate on "BIG" names or the "home run" hire. We dont need that. We need a winner, June Jones should be considered for the job.

 

[sjt18]

This is what makes stupid fans: getting all of their information from the internet instead of knowing very much about college football.

Saban took Michigan State from nothing to being able to beat teams Ranked number 1 in the nation and all of the traditional behemoths in the Big 10--something that hadn't happened in 30 years for Sparty.

ADs and Football coaches knew he was the real deal and that's what landed him the LSU gig. LSU didn't make Saban a good coach...LSU only had 3 winning seasons in the 90's--but have won no less than 8 games in a year since HE left...HE BUILT THEM back up and left the PLAN to KEEP THEM relevant after his departure. :salute:

Since you know so much about college football.... I am surprised you left out some of the facts about Saban at MSU. Before the last season he had compiled a VERY mediocre 25-22-1 record having never finished higher than 5th in his first 4 seasons. This represented very little improvement from the previous 3 years. His teams there were characterized by inconsistent and often undisciplined play. Following that one good season... MSU went 24-24 over the next four years. IOW's, he didn't really improve that program very much if at all. He just caught a "lucky" season and got out of town.

He WAS on the hot seat before that 9-2 season and would have been fired had he not had that one good year.

When you take competition into consideration, Saban was no more impressive over his first 4 seasons at MSU than Dooley was in his 3 years at UT. But he got his break and the rest is history.

I am NOT saying he wasn't already a good coach... but AM saying that the results had not yet demonstrated it.

 

[TNnative]

In that case, I hope accepts the position. Cant believe he wouldn't do so. Afterall, I'm sure he is aware of this as well??


C'Mon people. There are 50-60 people capable of turning this program around!! Don't think we are a special case here. We are Tennessee, it's not difficult. To think this program needs one person, only one person to turn it around, is the most erogant statement I have ever heard. Act like were a program of ****ing puketard's!! I know a majority of our fans are puketards.

Thank God John Hart is making this call. GO VOLS!!!

First of all. Tennessee's Ad is DAVE Hart, not John. Second, define "erogant" and "puketard" I never ceases to amaze me that when I travel out of state, I have to endure jokes about being from Tennessee. So do not be offended by my criticism of your post. And if you are,... :finger3: