New poll: its Newt's turn ....

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GAVol said:
If you viewed what they did in any sort of context, what he said has some truth to it. They did sanction him in one instance but if you were paying attention back then, it was obvious they were throwing everything imaginable against the wall to see what would stick.
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I see your additional sentences on this now.

The reason he was charged with so much is because he had done so many questionable things. The fact that,in the end, just shy of 200 members of his own party voted to find him guilty and to fine him, I think it was $300,000, is something that will haunt him throughout any general election campaign.

And given his activities over the last 10 years, making millions and millions of dollars with his various foundations connecting politicians and regulators with private benefactors ....

I think given the mood of the country towards inside baseball the Obama team has to be absolutely giddy at the prospect of running the general election campaign against Newt Gingrich.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I see your additional sentences on this now.

The reason he was charged with so much is because he had done so many questionable things. The fact that,in the end, just shy of 200 members of his own party voted to find him guilty and to fine him, I think it was $300,000, is something that will haunt him throughout any general election campaign.

And given his activities over the last 10 years, making millions and millions of dollars with his various foundations connecting politicians and regulators with private benefactors ....

I think given the mood of the country towards inside baseball the Obama team has to be absolutely giddy at the prospect of running the general election campaign against Newt Gingrich.
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83 of 84 charges cleared. So it appears those "things" were not so questionable. It was a big fishing expedition and they caught a minnow.

Also, IIRC the $300K was not a fine (indicating the seriousness of the charge); it was mostly a bill to pay for the costs arising from the investigation.

I like listening to Newt but I'm not sure I want him for POTUS. That said, it would be nice to evaluate his policy positions rather than get in the muck.
 
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#154
You know, when that happened, there was an attempted coup of him as Speaker. One of the leaders of that effort?

John Boehner.

That could make for some interesting politics if Gingrich were POTUS ....
 
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#155
Newt was a dick and his party jumped on it but in the end his dickness was crucial in holding down government spending.

What will be interesting is if it is he vs Obama - we'll have the two most condescending candidates in the history of this country.
 
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#156
Newts problems were not a partisan witch hunt. He was a terrible leader and the GOP congress turned on him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You know, when that happened, there was an attempted coup of him as Speaker. One of the leaders of that effort?

John Boehner.

That could make for some interesting politics if Gingrich were POTUS ....
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Newt Gingrich is suddenly the Republican front-runner, and there’s one leader on Capitol Hill who just doesn’t want to talk about it: Speaker John Boehner.

Their history is ugly — Boehner was accused of being part of a plot to oust Gingrich as speaker — but with Gingrich back in the national headlines as the party’s potential presidential nominee, Boehner is dodging virtually every question about him.



John Boehner not ready to talk about Newt Gingrich - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com
 
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dreVol said:
and Warren Harding
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I would take Warren Harding over anybody we've had in the last 50 years. Warren Harding gets a bad break. By all accounts he was an idiot, and he had a scandal. I say so what? His laissez faire approach turned the great crash of 1920 into a historical footnote because the economy recovered in no time.

Historians hate Harding because his administration is boring to discuss because he was laissez faire. No wars, no tragedies, seems like that'd put him in the "good president" category, but historians like war and tragedy (it's why they highly rate Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, etc.). They just dismiss him because of a scandal that did very little harm, if any, to the American people.

The Depression You’ve Never Heard Of: 1920-1921 | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty
 
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Gramps said:
Newts problems were not a partisan witch hunt. He was a terrible leader and the GOP congress turned on him.
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Disagree on him being a terrible leader. In truth he was quite effective legislatively. His means ended up getting him but the outcomes were critical.
 
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#160
If you wonder whether Gingrich needs to work on his Organization . . . Just saw a story that Newt may not have sufficient signatures to qualify for the Ohio Primary. :wacko:
 
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GAVol said:
If you wonder whether Gingrich needs to work on his Organization . . . Just saw a story that Newt may not have sufficient signatures to qualify for the Ohio Primary. :wacko:
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I saw that too. So he's off the ballot in Missouri and, now it looks like, Ohio. Le sigh
 
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Gramps said:
His means was what made him a terrible leader.
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Clearly means and ends are both important criteria in judging leadership. Since the ends were good and the means were bad I don't conclude he was a terrible leader overall.
 
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volinbham said:
Clearly means and ends are both important criteria in judging leadership. Since the ends were good and the means were bad I don't conclude he was a terrible leader overall.
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Why did the majority of his own party in congress turn against him?

That pretty much tells what kind of leader he was.
 
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volinbham said:
Clearly means and ends are both important criteria in judging leadership. Since the ends were good and the means were bad I don't conclude he was a terrible leader overall.
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Agree with this, and would like to believe (though certainly not yet convinced), that Newt might have learned a few things "leadership-wise" from his past experiences. Either way... would still get my vote over Obama.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Agree with this, and would like to believe (though certainly not yet convinced), that Newt might have learned a few things "leadership-wise" from his past experiences. Either way... would still get my vote over Obama.
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oe is swinging that way, great politician
 
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