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[615vols]

That’s not how the law works lmao. You can’t just say you reasonably believed someone was about to kill you with a weapon because they were yelling on a train. Where’s that source for “death threats”?

It’s was from an interview of one of the passengers on YouTube, go find it jussie. And as usual, you’re wrong.

 

[615vols]

You're trying to straddle a fine line.

I'm going to bow out. I've made my opinion clear. The back and forth between you and Nash seems to be personal, and I don't want to be drawn into that.

Have a good night weezer

 

[NashVol11]

It’s was from an interview of one of the passengers on YouTube, go find it jussie. And as usual, you’re wrong.

Oh so you don’t have a source. Who else is shocked?

 

[615vols]

He made it personal by essentially calling me a liar for saying Neely wasn’t inflicting violence on anyone when he was killed, and 20 pages later Neely still wasn’t lol. Lots of anger and zero substance

I never claimed Neely inflicted violence. If you could read you would understand that possibly. Go back through and try again, maybe you can start to comprehend. Good luck little guy!

 

[VolStrom]

You're trying to straddle a fine line.

I'm going to bow out. I've made my opinion clear. The back and forth between you and Nash seems to be personal, and I don't want to be drawn into that.

Don't go to bed mad, stay up and fight!

 

[NashVol11]

I never claimed Neely inflicted violence. If you could read you would understand that possibly. Go back through and try again, maybe you can start to comprehend. Good luck little guy!

I mean that makes you look worse, I said he didn’t inflict violence and you responded with “LIAR!! He said mean words!”

Violence was what I said, so if you responded to me to argue with something I didn’t say, that would be a pretty clear strawman no? Lol.

Like I said, zero substantive arguments

 

[clarksvol00]

The Thug was threatening people on the crime ravaged subway. He was dealt with properly, as he was unable to harm anyone that day.

... Says the Daily Mail Online.

 

[615vols]

I mean that makes you look worse, I said he didn’t inflict violence and you responded with “LIAR!! He said mean words!”

Violence was what I said, so if you responded to me to argue with something I didn’t say, that would be a pretty clear strawman no? Lol.

Like I said, zero substantive arguments

Wow you are dense lol…
I clearly said numerous times, Jordan Neely was threatening the passengers with violence. That isn’t debatable, multiple witnesses have said so. Do you deny that?

 

[NashVol11]

Wow you are dense lol…
I clearly said numerous times, Jordan Neely was threatening the passengers with violence. That isn’t debatable, multiple witnesses have said so. Do you deny that?

You’re dodging. I’m pointing out that I said he wasn’t inflicting violence. You quoted me and spent forever calling me a liar. Now you say he wasn’t inflicting violence. So this was all for nothing and you just wasted everyone’s time to eventually agree with me lol

 

[615vols]

You’re dodging. I’m pointing out that I said he wasn’t inflicting violence. You quoted me and spent forever calling me a liar. Now you say he wasn’t inflicting violence. So this was all for nothing and you just wasted everyone’s time to eventually agree with me lol

I quoted you? Our first interaction tonight was post 1383, where you quoted me you dolt lmao…
I’m not dodging anything. Dodging is what you just did by avoiding answering my question. You refuse to acknowledge that Neely was threatening the passengers. Take a break jussie, you’re struggling.

 

[NashVol11]

I quoted you? Our first interaction tonight was post 1383, where you quoted me you dolt lmao…
I’m not dodging anything. Dodging is what you just did by avoiding answering my question. You refuse to acknowledge that Neely was threatening the passengers. Take a break jussie, you’re struggling.

Couple days ago, yes, and it was all to spend 5 pages realizing you were agreeing with me the whole time lol. Today it’s more been saying dumb **** about self-defense when the law is right there and we’ve been through it already. In neither case did you add anything to the conversation besides “jussie ”

 

[NashVol11]

8188 made essentially the same argument as you and did a much better job of it, maybe talk to him

 

[825VOL]

Nashvol11 I am trying to understand what you are saying without re-reading several pages. Are you arguing that merely saying something that other passengers might take as threatening or bothersome was no justification for the man being "attacked" and put in the chokehold?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

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[NashVol11]

Nashvol11 I am trying to understand what you are saying without re-reading several pages. Are you arguing that merely saying something that other passengers might take as threatening or bothersome was no justification for the man being "attacked" and put in the chokehold?

Sure, that’s close enough. There are actual legal requirements for something to be “self-defense” (which includes defense of others) and they weren’t present here

 

[615vols]

Couple days ago, yes, and it was all to spend 5 pages realizing you were agreeing with me the whole time lol. Today it’s more been saying dumb **** about self-defense when the law is right there and we’ve been through it already. In neither case did you add anything to the conversation besides “jussie ”

You’ve done nothing but attempt to portray Neely as merely asking for food. You refuse to acknowledge that he was threatening the other passengers. Remember when you believed jussie? Lmao

 

[825VOL]

Sure, that’s close enough. There are actual legal requirements for something to be “self-defense” (which includes defense of others) and they weren’t present here

Thanks. I have been extremely busy and unable to read much about what happened. I am not a lawyer and have no intention to argue about something that I know nothing about. in your opinion, would the other passengers been justified on say coldcocking him and knocking him out since some either took offense to his actions or they were scared? I am curious where you draw the line on someone spouting off just some words.

 

[NashVol11]

You’ve done nothing but attempt to portray Neely as merely asking for food. You refuse to acknowledge that he was threatening the other passengers. Remember when you believed jussie? Lmao

He was threatening the other passengers. There, now your strawman is gone since you keep making up things about me lol. Still waiting on that “death threat” source tho

 

[NashVol11]

Thanks. I have been extremely busy and unable to read much about what happened. I am not a lawyer and have no intention to argue about something that I know nothing about. in your opinion, would the other passengers been justified on say coldcocking him and knocking him out since some either took offense to his actions or they were scared? I am curious where you draw the line on someone spouting off just some words.

They would be justified if they had a reasonable belief that it was necessary to defend themselves from what they reasonably believe is imminent unlawful physical force. Up to a court to decide based on precedent, but for me I think I would need to see either physical force or “fighting words” that present a more credible threat than a likely mentally I’ll homeless person yelling on a subway (but I’m also a New Yorker who is used to seeing that)

 

[AM64]

They actually don't have the right. It's vigilantism. But even if they did feel he needed to be subdued, they didn't have to do it with a choke hold. The marine could have taken him to the ground without applying such a deadly hold. I agree the passengers were scared, but it did not rise to "scared for their lives". At least not reasonably. He hadn't actually attacked anyone at that point. Moving away from him was reasonable, which is what the vast majority did.

If acting to protect others from harm is vigilantism, then wouldn't being a good Samaritan bring the risk of impersonating a doctor or other certified official type person (cop, fireman, etc)?

 

[AM64]

Because empty threats occur all the time.

Tell that to the 1/6 "insurrectionists" sitting in jails.

 

[Weezer]

Don't go to bed mad, stay up and fight!

I'm not mad. I just didn't see the point of taking it so far as to make it personal.

The truth is, from what I've read, Neely was a mentally ill homeless person who was trying to guilt commuters into helping him get food and water, basic necessities of life. Maybe threw out some empty threats. I don't know what his circumstances in life were, but he was a human being in need. And I'm sure a great deal of his misfortune came through bad decisions he made, but some were also probably just situations of circumstance. Bottom line is he was a man who needed help and received none. No help, no compassion. Instead, he was robbed of his life unjustly.

 

[Weezer]

Tell that to the 1/6 "insurrectionists" sitting in jails.

Which I've disagreed with. The people who actually did property damage or caused harm to another should be punished, but I've argued the majority of the 1/6 defendants should not.

 

[Weezer]

If acting to protect others from harm is vigilantism, then wouldn't being a good Samaritan bring the risk of impersonating a doctor or other certified official type person (cop, fireman, etc)?

There are situations where you can be punished for being a good Samaritan. When you act, you act with risk, and you should be prepared to face the consequences for your actions, good or bad.

 

[Weezer]

New York City Is Shelling Out $8 Million Per Day To House Migrants

New York City is shelling out roughly $8 million a day to provide shelter for 37,500 migrants, officials said during a city council meeting Monday.

On average, the city is projected to spend an average of $256 to house each individual migrant per day in Department of Homeless Services shelters, Park said. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott began busing migrants to New York City in August and is expected to increase the transports following the end of Title 42, the Trump-era expulsion order. (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: Border Patrol Migrant Processing Centers Are Already Over Capacity Days Before Trump-Era Policy Ends)

New York City Is Shelling Out $8 Million Per Day To House Migrants

Thought this was an interesting story. Not sure if it's being discussed elsewhere. Poor guy is getting effed over in my opinion so his landlords can make more bank from the city housing migrants.

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