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#252
#252
cncchris33 said:
In his defense, he doesn’t get much chance to do anything on offense. He works to get position, but we don’t look to get him the ball, which is odd since he may be our most offensively talented and skilled big man. All of his offense comes opportunistically off of loose balls and ORebs. That has to be frustrating and likely bleeds over into concentration lapses elsewhere.
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I have noticed that. I'm sure it is frustrating. Imo I think his teammates don't totally trust him yet.
 
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#257
#257
mr.checkerboards said:
I have noticed that. I'm sure it is frustrating. Imo I think his teammates don't totally trust him yet.
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I figure that's what it is, but then I wonder how ON gets the touches does, because no one should trust him, right now.

Not only is he fumbling away good feeds, but he's also unaware that other good feeds are coming his way. See JJJ's oop-pass, last night, that slammed hopelessly off the backboard because Nkamhoua didn't even see it coming. And worse yet, ON wants to continually blame his teammates when he's at fault.
 
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#258
#258
cncchris33 said:
I figure that's what it is, but then I wonder how ON gets the touches does, because no one should trust him, right now.

Not only is he fumbling away good feeds, but he's also unaware that other good feeds are coming his way. See JJJ's oop-pass, last night, that slammed hopelessly off the backboard because Nkamhoua didn't even see it coming. And worse yet, ON wants to continually blame his teammates when he's at fault.
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Low basketball IQ. Might be a smart kid, but his decisions baffle me. Bad hands, doesn’t project plays or passes heading his way, and places blame on others.
 
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#259
#259
cncchris33 said:
5 attempts in 31 minutes across three games isn't what I'd call opportunity, though.

Nkamhoua is 5/14 with 5 turnovers in last 3 games, too, but he's gotten twice the minutes.

BHH, when he receives 15 mpg (7 games) is averaging 7.7 ppg on 25/47 (53.2%).
When he plays less than 15 minutes (12 games) is averaging 1.8 ppg on 9/20 (45%).

Just hard to get in any groove and get any opportunity when you don't play. And when we do play him in such limited minutes (less than 15), we don't utilize him, he loses interest, and hits the bench. Probably a maturity issue with him, but it's understandable that he's frustrated.
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Well 5/7 games he played 15+ minutes were against MM opponents, which Nkahmoua dominates too, so not sure we should be drawing conclusions from that.

You can effect the game without scoring or playing huge minutes, Mashack plays his tail off defensively and attacks the boards…if BHH is gonna disappear and pout if he’s not getting more shots then he doesn’t need to be out there anyway. He already gets lost defensively, his offensive game hasn’t appeared to be some juggernaut that just overrides the other lapses…he’s had chances to show more and hasn’t.

And again, if we are gonna play JJJ predominately at the 4 which many are suggesting is our best option, that doesn’t really leave a bunch of minutes to be giving BHH hoping the light comes on at the risk of losing games.
 
#260
#260
cncchris33 said:
I figure that's what it is, but then I wonder how ON gets the touches does, because no one should trust him, right now.

Not only is he fumbling away good feeds, but he's also unaware that other good feeds are coming his way. See JJJ's oop-pass, last night, that slammed hopelessly off the backboard because Nkamhoua didn't even see it coming. And worse yet, ON wants to continually blame his teammates when he's at fault.
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The catch on the full court pass from Chandler was quite impressive
 
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#262
#262
bleedingTNorange said:
Well 5/7 games he played 15+ minutes were against MM opponents, which Nkahmoua dominates too, so not sure we should be drawing conclusions from that.

You can effect the game without scoring or playing huge minutes, Mashack plays his tail off defensively and attacks the boards…if BHH is gonna disappear and pout if he’s not getting more shots then he doesn’t need to be out there anyway. He already gets lost defensively, his offensive game hasn’t appeared to be some juggernaut that just overrides the other lapses…he’s had chances to show more and hasn’t.

And again, if we are gonna play JJJ predominately at the 4 which many are suggesting is our best option, that doesn’t really leave a bunch of minutes to be giving BHH hoping the light comes on at the risk of losing games.
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To be fair, BHH doesn’t get many opportunities offensively. He works hard to get open. ON is lacking hustle and effort many times. His production is low compared to potential.
 
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#263
#263
BHH’s season and just conference season BPM and W/S are among the teams worst…in a single game I don’t put a ton of stock into it because there can be reasons, but over a big sample size that says something imo.
 
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#264
#264
cardvolfan said:
To be fair, BHH doesn’t get many opportunities offensively. He works hard to get open. ON is lacking hustle and effort many times. His production is low compared to potential.
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But he doesn’t do much either with the opportunities he does get…with that said it’s not just about his offense, the team defense struggles with him on the floor as well as the team offense.
 
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#267
#267
cardvolfan said:
So, you’re satisfied with ON and his production?
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Satisfied? No. Think ON gives us more productive minutes combined offense/defense? Yes. And that’s not even debatable according to the advanced statistics 🤷🏻‍♂️

And again, if we are going small there’s only about 55-60 minutes total for Fulk/ON/Plav/BHH.
 
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#270
#270
cardvolfan said:
Small lineup is where it’s at, starting with Texas.
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I’ve been asking for it, and rotate those 4 posts…Nkahmoua is the only one who should ever see any time at the 4. That means you’re soliciting 40 minutes at the 5 among Fulk/Plav/BHH, just not many minutes there to give BHH.
 
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#272
#272
cncchris33 said:
No doubt it was. I'm certainly not suggesting that he is wholly incompetent and incapable of ever doing good things. But it's undeniable that that play, and any others like it, are the exception, lately.
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I agree, was just mentioning a nice play since many just want to point out the bad. He’s also rebounded pretty well during this 3 game stretch and arguably been our best post defender…the fact is none of our posts are all that good, definitely not consistent and all have their faults offensively. It’s getting to the time where each game is big, and you’ve got to go with who gives you best chance to win right now on both ends combined.
 
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#273
#273
bleedingTNorange said:
Well 5/7 games he played 15+ minutes were against MM opponents, which Nkahmoua dominates too, so not sure we should be drawing conclusions from that.

You can effect the game without scoring or playing huge minutes, Mashack plays his tail off defensively and attacks the boards…if BHH is gonna disappear and pout if he’s not getting more shots then he doesn’t need to be out there anyway. He already gets lost defensively, his offensive game hasn’t appeared to be some juggernaut that just overrides the other lapses…he’s had chances to show more and hasn’t.

And again, if we are gonna play JJJ predominately at the 4 which many are suggesting is our best option, that doesn’t really leave a bunch of minutes to be giving BHH hoping the light comes on at the risk of losing games.
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I'm not making the case that BHH suddenly become the central focus of our post offense midway then the season. I'm just saying it's difficult to judge his ability there with so few opportunities, even when he gets extended minutes. It just seems like we're playing 4 on 5, offensively, when he is in there because they don't utilize him; rarely even try despite him working hard to get open and establish position.

Playing 4 on 5, offensively is the same thing Barnes ripped Mashack for in the postgame comments, saying he has to be more involved, offensively, and take open shots. The same principle can be applied to BHH, though the fault lies with his teammates. When he gets open, they need to get him the ball and make him a threat to shoot or kick back out to an open shooter/driver.

We know he's a bit of a liability on defense, so if Barnes is playing him an average of 10 mpg over the last three games, then what is he in there to do if he only gets 5 shot attempts?

Over those 3 games, I'd call one (LSU) a good outing, one (Vandy) a bad outing, and one (Florida) incomplete due to a lack of minutes.
 
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#274
#274
cncchris33 said:
I'm not making the case that BHH suddenly become the central focus of our post offense midway then the season. I'm just saying it's difficult to judge his ability there with so few opportunities, even when he gets extended minutes. It just seems like we're playing 4 on 5, offensively, when he is in there because they don't utilize him; rarely even try despite him working hard to get open and establish position.

Playing 4 on 5, offensively is the same thing Barnes ripped Mashack for in the postgame comments, saying he has to be more involved, offensively, and take open shots. The same principle can be applied to BHH, though the fault lies with his teammates. When he gets open, they need to get him the ball and make him a threat to shoot or kick back out to an open shooter/driver.

We know he's a bit of a liability on defense, so if Barnes is playing him an average of 10 mpg over the last three games, then what is he in there to do if he only gets 5 shot attempts?

Over those 3 games, I'd call one (LSU) a good outing, one (Vandy) a bad outing, and one (Florida) incomplete due to a lack of minutes.
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I think Barnes is trying to give him chances, I don’t know the answer but I bet he’s played much more in the 1st half the last 3 games than the 2nd half. Don’t believe he appeared in the 2nd half last night.
 
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#275
#275
bleedingTNorange said:
I agree, was just mentioning a nice play since many just want to point out the bad. He’s also rebounded pretty well during this 3 game stretch and arguably been our best post defender…the fact is none of our posts are all that good, definitely not consistent and all have their faults offensively. It’s getting to the time where each game is big, and you’ve got to go with who gives you best chance to win right now on both ends combined.
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Defends well, yes. Rebounding is decent, but not what it should be. That pass underneath he caught was excellent, although the chances of success on that were quite low with the needle that had to be thread along with ON’s hands. I love his potential, but to say he isn’t underachieving seems curious.
 
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